+ 1 Question to the Experienced
Some time ago, I posted my first cycle for everyone to critique. I took everyone's advice and did a little more research, but I have my cycle all ready, everything is in my possession.
So the only question I have is about pinning, since it will be the first time ever tonight, every time I read about pinning, when you finally press the needle into the muscle they tell you, "Draw back on the plunger a little bit and see if there is blood." Then they always say something like "Not blood Vessel" I know this sounds noobish, because it is, but what does that mean? Like if I get Blood Vessel's i'm ok to start injecting correct, and if I get blood what's protocol after that?
Thanks:
Here is my old post so everyone remembers.
I am male, 27 yrs old, 209 lbs. @ 6'1. About 13% body fat.
Weeks 1-12: 500mg Testosterone Enanthate
Weeks 4-14: 0.25mg of Anastrozole EOD change to 0.5mg if needed.
PCT:
2 weeks after last injection.
Week 1&2 PCT: 40mg Nolva per day
100mg Clomid
Week 3&4 PCT: 20mg Nolva
50mg Clomid
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AnonWhen you pin quads make sure the muscle is completely relaxed. You cant be standing up. I like to sit on couch and prop leg onto coffee table. Totally relaxed and loose.
Yea, I am completely relaxed, I think it's due to my pinginity being taken that they both hurt. But other then hurting it's alright, I am going to attempt to lift legs tonight, and see how it goes. Maybe just lower weight and lift light tonight.
Also do you think it's wise to maybe use my 1.5 inch 23g needle and pin in the Ventro tonight? cause my 25g 1 inch won't do right? It needs to be 1.5inch for Ventro right? But scared of 23g.
Alright here is the follow up to the follow up. .... ... Ok, I pinned my other leg, now I have dead leg in both legs. I heat them every night. Wednesday I have to lift leg's or I will go ape shit, so do I lift through the pain? Right?
Also second time pinning no, passing out feeling. So it's all good!
But bad part means, i was a pussy i guess.....
I can't pin quads. First cycle that's all I did and I could barely walk forget train legs. Pin elsewhere. If after a few full site rotations (delts, glutes, ventroglutes) you are still in unbearable pain then you need switch brands.
Yea, I think Ventro glutes, can this be accomplished with a 25g 1 inch needle? Thanks man!
I pin everything with 25 gauge. I only use 1.5 on the rear glutes. I go between 5/8 and 1 inch anywhere else. Keep in mind you want to go DEEP - Not passed the midpoint - Deep means into the middle of the muscle. I'm kinda anal about it, pinning often or for long cycles I try to not put oil in the same spot every time, so I use different depths and angles...
I wish I had you next to me jimmie showing me these different depths and angles...... . lol
I have studied the muscle I am injecting into more then the others so that I get the middle, it's why I think i only want to pin there.
Good advice.
That being said, you really needed a "NO HOMO" after your post. ;-)
oh boy.... I just read what I wrote.... just remember, when being anal, don't pass the midpoint and don't move the tip around too much. Tearing is no good. SHE tells me I've got good technique.
It's not just you, the past few responses were really kinky lmao. I'm starting to get worried here guys, I thought we were talking about his first penetration, and now we're on anal...
Bahaha! Nice one the more I read it the funnier it gets.
You'd really have to determine that based on how thick your legs are. For some leaner people out there I hve heard 1" being enough. For me, I use 1.5" 23g needle. The gauge will do you fine, even though injecting is slower. I personally hve heftier tree trunks, so I prefer 1.5".
I push that 1 inch almost completely in, and my skin and muscle meet up and I feel I am going deep enough. But now reading this, I feel as though maybe I should have went with a 1.5 just to go a bit deeper.
It's probably the virgin muscle on your other leg
these kinds of knots should go away a few weeks in (as in painless injections).
Good to hear you aren't passing out anymore lol, must've just been too excited the first pin. I usually keep lifting through PIP, but as always listen to your body. I got bad PIP from my current source and when I went to squat heavy I felt searing pain in my leg, so I dropped the weights and it helped with the pain. You could also take some ibuprofen to ease the swelling and the pain, and just push through. You'll get used to it all, just gotta be patient!
Yea, I hope it's because my leg's are virgins to this stuff, but I am going to lift as hard as I can anyway!
Thanks man!
AnonI try to schedule my pins on leg days as much as I can, pinning in the morning and working out later seems to all but eliminate any pip I might get. Or if its not leg day I will try to hit the stair climber for 10 or 20 minutes after my workout. Try hitting ventro glute, compared to quads I get virtually no pip when I pin there.
I am pinning leg days just already at a leg day and still killing me! LOL
As long as it's not infected just work through the pain. That's what I've always done, and found that it actually helped.
Yea, it's not infected, I guess since it was my pinginity? It just feels like dead leg, like someone punching you there! lol
Other than that, it really isn't that bad. Excited to keep pinning and growing!
congratulations, now you just need to add tren cough in there, and yes it happens with test!
Are you stupid everyone knows that tren is for second cycle and never first lol!!!!!
Just wanted everyone to know, I did it, So don't be thinking he dead???
Was exciting, and weird at the same time. Did everything by the book, but at the very end, I almost fainted for reasons I have no clue why. But I laid down and my wife put a hello kitty blanket on me, and I felt better.
Also didn't know drawing from the vial took the time it did. lol thought it was super fast but it was slower then the movies LOL
Most injectables are water based and come out very quickly. AAS are almost always oil based and they come out slowly.
When the needle started to fill I thought fuck am I doing wrong????? But then I understood and allowed it to fill, once I saw it was filling up slowly.
What size needle did you use to drawl with? And did you inject air into the bottle first?
Yea I inject a whole cc into the vial!! Still seemed forever to draw.
Did you really almost faint or are you being sarcastic lol?
Well I did feel a little faint and almost but I got all the air out of it do I need to so a better job????
I used 23g needle to draw and 25g for injection.
Yeah start with the higher gauge needles for pinning, and always take your time. There's no rush, the oils ain't going anywhere! Maybe you felt light headed from the rush you got from it, or maybe you have a fear of needles/blood. Just make sure your lady is there at all times when you pin, you don't wanna feint during it!
I'm glad you've popped that pinginity bro, and glad to see you're ok.
Edit: keep monitoring how you feel after the next pin, and the following. If it happens every time then there might be some underlying cause you'd need to get checked out.
My pinginity lol.. Was intense but I will make sure to monitor myself each time. I hope there is no problem. Only thing I could think of was at the point i had the needle in and pulled back on the plunger a but to check of there was blood several bubbles came inside??? Could that hurt??? How do I stop the bubbles....
There should be a vacuum bubble that pops in when you aspirate, but it should go away once you let the plunger back down.
Yea that what seemed to happen. So I did that right correct?? Dang I hope I don't have some problem. I'm excited to do it again.
Yeah you did it right, could've just been a freak incident. Just monitor your next pin and you'll see if it was or it reoccurs.
RustyhookerI remember my first pin. Took 2 hours! Pinned and thought I was close to roid rage. When does that hit? Oh crap! Sweat pouring and worried. Lol!
Back then roid rage was on every single report. We didn't have mentors. The powerlifters at the gym were raging asshole. ..found out was just halo. Figured this imaginary beast would erupt!
Nope. Made me happier. Focused. I grew. Still hate needles.
When do you get it roid rage?? Lol jk
Rusty never comes off the roid rage. This is the calm before the storm.
LOL I can only imagine what It must've been like back then, before all this information was widely available on sites like these. Have you always been scared/hated needles?
I remember being terrified of my first pin, even with all the mentoring and reading I did, I still thought Id fuck something up. I monitored that site and my vitals like a madman, any slight hint of pain or redness I was pouring through the information on all that could have gone bad... I still don't mind the needles so much. I'm terrified of getting an infection, not so much of the infection but of the hospital visit... Needles I don't exactly mind, but I have taken a good look at myself in the mirror before and asked myself what the fuck I was actually doing lol...
AnonThe glutes and Ventro are the areas less likely to hit a blood vessel. Actually to be honest in the years I've been injecting I can honestly say I've yet to hit one injecting into those spots. The delt bi and tri and trouble when it comes to nicking a vessel followed by the quads for me.
I'll be honest I remember my first injection. Right Delt and it gave me some gnarly pip. Watson test Cyp. The good stuff. Take your time bro and relish the moment. You will be just fine and +2 for asking questions regardless of how simple some may think it is.
It almost opposite for me. I seem to hit the gushers on my quads, hell just last night I thought I had a nice clear shot away from visible veins and bam! Hit a big one a little under the surface,lol. My Delts on the other hand almost never have PIP. But Carlos is correct the Glutes and Ventro are pretty fail safe.
Thanks Carlos, I will report back when the deed is done. I'm excited and nervous. But the excitement easily wins over here, so I am just gonna go through protocol.
I am gonna lift legs tonight, come home and shower, hot shower, and then begin!
I'm sure I will have a story to tell tomorrow, hopefully a really good one. LOL
Thanks again!
Definitely aspirate bro, and take your time injecting. Don't do it too fast, just slow and steady. Also, don't over excite yourself! Shaky hands are not fun injecting! looking forward to see how your first pin goes, and hoping the PIP isn't too bad. It being a virgin muscle and all you'll obviously be a little sore, but you should be fine.
Good luck with losing your pin-ginity. If you get a little worried post pin, just come on the forum and follow up.
On the forum everyday reading and what not, so I won't be shy, if I feel something is wrong.
Praying nothing goes wrong LOL
Yea, thanks for being excited for me, can't wait to work hard!
RustyhookerDid you find your ventro glutes?
I'm guessing from what you wrote and others, I should inject into the Ventro Glute. I will find my ventro!!!
Thank you!
AnonIf you pull back on the plunger and see blood, remove the needle, swap for a new needle and pin in a different spot.
Ok, but what about the blood that is now stuck in the barrel? LOL I don't want to inject that back in right?
It will mix up a little bit with the oil so it's up to you weather you want to draw up a fresh shot or just pin the gear with the blood in.
It's happened to me twice, I didn't even change the pin, just moved my pin spot a centimetre and that was that. No issues.
It's pretty rare considering the amount of shots I've had. Keep your hands as still as possible while pinning and this should minimise problems including pip.
This is exactly what I was looking for thanks man, guess I was making it a bigger thing then it really was, thanks again man!
AnonIts usually such a tiny amount that it shouldn't be a big deal. Unless you keep aspirating and draw a shit ton of blood into the barrel lol. Ive only had blood come back once and it was only a little bit so I swapped the needle and pinned somewhere else, didn't have a problem. And it was only with a quad inject, never had it happen with ventro glute, way less chance of hitting anything but muscle in there.