posted Wed, 09/10/2014 - 04:52
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Does higher concentrated gear produce better results?
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Is shooting .5cc Sust 500 the same as 1cc of Sust 250? Are the results the same? I was reading on another site that the higher concentrated gear produced better results. I do not understand this. In the end you are putting the exact same amount of gear into your body so shouldn't the results be the same. What do you think?
The only benefits I see:
-maybe saving a couple bucks getting one bottle of 500 vs two of 250
-if you are using multiple compounds you would have more room in your syringe with the higher concentrated gear for other compounds.
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No. It doesn't produce any better results. I use high concentration gear to save room in the syringe or to sometimes reduce pinning, that's all.
Ok. So basically only use high mg/ml gear if you will be loading other oils into the syringe, otherwise you're in for a hellacious pip b/c that stuff hurts all by itself.
Not always. My lab uses MCT oil in their high concentration gear and there is no PIP. I don't think the use of MCT oil is that common. So generally if you don't NEED it, don't bother with it.
MCT oil...that IS very different. And interesting
DBG has you covered below.
When I decided to start up again (after 20 years off), I saw the higher milligram products and thought that it would be a money saver and that I would have to pin less. Fortunately I came and did some research here on Eroids and realized that it would of been a mistake.
I read quite a few posts from folks who went the high milligram route and are now paying with severe pip and "test flu". If they decide to keep their high milligram stuff, they end up having to cut it with GSO or some other sterile oil. This is more money, time and there is more opportunity for contamination.
I've also never seen any published results (unlikely that there is any) and I have never heard from anyone who I trust that they got better results from a higher milligram product. Standard dosed product is really the way to go and it's been proven over many decades.
Higher mg/mL doesn't necessarily translate into 'better results'...at all IMO really. Higher potency mg hormones in the same amt of oil just means you are getting more hormone per mL.
The higher mg compounds are NOT for the beginner user and should not be used by anyone who has not gotten the majority of their muscles used to absorption. Some newbie injecting something like test 500, sust 500, or things like primo 200 will not react well. Like you will be crippled...maybe forget working out cuz the pip will be so unbearable...can't sit down kind of stuff cuz your ass will hurt so bad for a week or more.
My recommendation is to stick with tried and true old school mg dosages per vial. The less oil injected in each muscle the better...less risk of abscess, but not the most hormone in each muscle, as when the hormone sits there and crystallizes when the carrier oil gets absorbed quicker...leading to complications like pip/abscesses. Get used to pinning multiple sites if you wanna invest in this lifestyle for the future and you can always inject more of that particular hormone in other spots on inject days, or when you start adding a few other compounds, they can be injected elsewhere on your body separately.
Thanks for your stats posted on your info page too. 36 yrs old and I will def give you advice
I can see the benefit when you are injecting a syringe full of different compounds, the higher concentrated stuff leave more space for other products and basically gets "cut" with the other oils so as to hopefully avoid a really painful pip.
What is the max amount you recommend putting into a muscle?
I'm thinking if I am going >3cc, I will just hit the other cheek. I have tried other injection sites (both shoulders and both quads) and I don't see the reason to pin there unless I have pip still present from a previous injection.
You may not need high concentraion gear when stacking. By stacking compounds you can reduce the dosage and let the gear do its work. Example imagine a rating scale of 1 -10. 10 being the most anabolic effect. 500 mg test per week equals 5. Drop the test to 400mg equals 4 and add 400 mg of Deca equals 4 on the scale. 4+4= 10 I know this seems odd but the 2 compounds work in synergy multipling each others anabolic effects. So you can get away with less and see the same if not better results while using less. just my .02c
Glutes 3 to 5 ml (I've never pinned 5ml myself). I have gotten 5ml in the glutes before from a doctor!! This was before I started pinning my self. Looking back as they came towards my butt, it looked like a chalking gun about to be shoved in my glute.
3ml in quads. I just go slow 30 seconds minimum per ml.
I have pinned Delts with 2 ml know problem, again just go slow!!
The only other spot I would pin is pecs. I have yet to try.
The new thing at my gym is pinning the lats. I am not going to try this anytime soon. I figure there are enough other locations to hit. Is there any benefit to shooting into a weak body part? I read that spot injecting does not cause that particular muscle to grow any more than if it were injected somewhere else, yet I constantly hear about guys doing this to bring up lagging muscle groups. What are you thoughts?
I hit my lats cuz I have to...I am mostly a shorter ester guy and need the pinning locations. But IMO pinning the lats is a cakewalk. And how do you mean "weak body part"...the lats specifically? Cuz my back and lats sure are not weak ;-)
Yea and site specific pinning to bring up lagging muscle groups IMO is a farce. You are injecting a hormone into your body that interacts and interrupts your HPTA as a functioning WHOLE so why would oil/hormone dispersion in a particular muscle make it stronger or larger?
I know you didn't ask me but I felt like jumping in on this one.
It's totally cool. Everyone and anyone please feel free to answer anything I post to anyone else. I am here to learn. I don't give a shit where the knowledge comes from.
That's what I thought, site specific shots do not increase that particular muscles size any more than a shot anywhere else on the body.
2 cc in quads, ventrogluteral
1 cc in delt's, pecs, tris, bis, lats, traps, calves
3 cc in glutes
That's about I will do in those areas. Some of those muscles I never hit and probably never will, like calves and traps.
My suggestion is get a good rotation down and get muscles used to absorbing that oil. Give a week btwn shots, hitting that site again...like unless you have existing pip or sterile abscess...and you should do just fine