posted Sun, 08/17/2014 - 15:08
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6 weeks in and can't stand these little nuts. How much HCG to start?
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My balls have really decreased in size the past 2 weeks. I am considering running HCG the remainder of my cycle. I have 5000iu. I have read that I need a large initial dose to get things going, but the amount is all over the place depending the author. Would a dose of 2000iu followed by 250iu every 4 days until 10 days before I start PCT be cool?
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StevebSmall nuts make your dick look bigger. They drop down again after PCT.
I was chatting with someone who has this "issue" today. He asked if my coin purse shrivels too and I can honestly say its never happened. They dangle just fine....the left more so than the right. Maybe thats why my left shoe wears out quicker?....hhmmmm
LOL........ tiny bollocks syndrome.. it must be genetic cos ive never had this problem.
Just looking around here for the past ten minutes at some of the posts and problems you guys have or fear.......... honestly i wouldn't run roids ever if i had the same problems or fears lol..lol
Everybody knows there just for decoration anyway p.s. Vike it's a very serious problem I have had small testicles all my life as I child I was ashamed and embarrassed. After consulting many doctors they all came back with the same diagnosis. Apparently shit don't grow well in the shade and it's something I've just learned to live with
The smaller the balls the bigger the dong bro use it 2 your advantage
yep i was looking forward to them shrinking and it has never happened!
The dosing is different for prevention and reversal. I've done it both way before once exactly like you. If you start it from like week 2 before they shnk 250-500iu twice a week is enough but once they have already shrunk in my experience you need a higher dose for a few days before backing down to 250iu. Personally when I started it late like you did I used 750iu eod for like 6 or 8 days so 3-4 shots then I went back down to 250ius twice a week. Maybe just maybe 250iu twice a week could bring then back but it would take a long time.
Have you gotten any bloodwork?
YUP. Results are in. Can someone explain the #'s to me?
http://www.eroids.com/pics/blood-work-is-done.-what-does-all-this-mean
Nice e2 numbers... (Sarcasm)
What is a good range to be in?
10-50
Thanks. Is there any way to gauge estradiol reduction per adex amt/dosage?
No. It's subjective to your body and how much enzyme you produce. You'll want to keep in mind that adex does not form a permanent bond with the enzyme. When the active life wears out, it releases the bound enzyme and it's function is renewed.
For this reason I'm not a fan of adex for suppress high levels. Reason being, you'll have to take a high initial dose to get levels back to normal. Then drop down to maintenance dose to maintain that level. When you decrease the dose, the higher doses will have cycles thru their respective half lives and begin releasing bound enzymes. Rebound can occur. Aromasin does not do this.
I like adex for the simplicity of less frequent doses, and I take it myself. But I keep both I hand and when my symptoms for high e2 show, I add aromasin to the mix.
Picked up some with my HCG.
I'll take 12.5mg today when I take my HCG and then...back to .5 adex 3x per week?
Ready to add some weight back to the old coin purse.
You do not need a large initial dose. For one thing, Hcg converts to estrogen, btw. The higher the dose, the great the estrogen response and greater the need for AI. I've been on trt for years. 250 iu twice a week is all you need brother
Agreed...and administer the dose and frequency the last six weeks of the cycle up to 5-7 days before PCT begins...
Hcg causes the leydig cells in the nuts to produce testosterone, so more testosterone will mean more AI is needed on cycle or trt to avoid the conversion of test to estro, right? It's not that Hcg converts directly to estro. If I'm wrong, school me brother. I'm curious.
Hcg signals the cells responsible for production of test and sperm. Also it is subject to conversion to estrogen via the aromatase enzyme. Therefore it does directly convert.
Lol really bro? Hcg converts to estrogen via aromatase. Please link me to the credible source where you got that info from.
Dispite the underlying arrogance and sarcasm in your choice of words, I'll say that you are partially correct, more so than I.
I've been on trt since i was 27, and part of that protocol involves hcg. It's a known fact that hcg cause a rise in estrogen synthesis, exponentially. Keeping with the context of the OP's topic, the question "to which mode of action does this take place?"
Is it due to the increased testosterone stimulated by the hcg, or is it due to the aromatase enzyme binding to and reducing the hcg hormone? The answer is neither; however, subject to interpretation.
My statements, which I have spouted for years, about aromatizing hcg are not correct.. It's been 5-6 years since I've cross referenced a case study on the metabolic pathways of hcg. Either I misinterpreted some information or a later set of data proved the information I read to be incorrect. Either way, you're both correct in that hcg does not convert to estrogen.
Now, I said you were "partially" correct because of the 3 case studies I've just finished reading, which outline the chain reaction and quantify the increased aromatase activity.
In summary, hcg does stimulate the leydig cells to produce testosterone. This increased testosterone level does promote aromatase activity; however, not to the extent of that which is stimulated by cell saturation of hcg. Hcg saturated cells are stimulated for increased aromatization rates within those cells by 8 fold.
So, although the hormone does not convert to estrogen, the presence of hcg increases aromatase activity by 8 fold.
Thank you kindly for setting that straight! I'll look into the 8-fold increase of aromatization within Hcg saturated cells as this interests me. I may hold off on using Hcg entirely if this is the case.
My bad...thought that was Doss asking for a link. Disregard below post! Lol
Lol you prick I was agreeing with you.
Fucker I realized that after I hit save and saw I was replying to you and not Doss! Haha!
Use Google Scholar or plain Google and search for "hcg converts to estrogen"...I see nothing that supports your assumption. Just got off the phone with an endocrinologist and he confirmed what I said. Look up the function of aromatase and what it acts on. Look at the definitions and classification Hcg and LH fall under. Can aromatase act on these? No, they can not. Please show me your credible source that states otherwise as I believe you will be hard pressed in finding one. I'm not trying to butt heads with you, I just believe we shouldn't give bad information and if I'm wrong I'm willing to be schooled.
Everything I've read states that the aromatase enzyme only works on androgens. Hcg and/or leutinizing hormone are not androgens. I'm thinking that using Hcg boosts test, which boosts aromatase due to the imbalance in the ratio of test to estro. If that increase of aromatase isn't countered with an increased dose of AI, the increase of aromatase is responsible for directly converting test to estro. So...if I'm on half a gram of long estered test per week, become shutdown between weeks 4&6, and begin taking Hcg...wouldn't that increase of test from my testicles coupled with exogenous test be the reason to up the AI dose since it would be the same thing as running more test without Hcg in the mix? More test means less estro, so the body attempts to balance by manufacturing more aromatase.
You are correct sir. Typically we use a high dose of it which causes a surge in testosterone and seeing that 99% of estrogen is created by conversion via aromatase alot of this new test will covert to estrogen. In no way shape or form does hcg or LH convert directly to estrogen your right.
Thank you.
Benny BlancoI love having tiny balls. It makes stiff-legged deadlifts so much easier.
Agreed...definitely an advantage when they get smaller...
Hahah! I can see how that might ease the chafing a tad.
I'm going to start taking it next week. My wife knows I'm on a cycle but mentioned to me how small the boys have become and says to me "when you cum there's barely anything there." Her reaction after the HCG has plumped them up will be priceless from all I've heard and read.
Benny BlancoFuck, throw some HMG in the mix and you'll be jizzin like a firehose.
Hahah! For sure!
Mine pop back out during a hot ass shower blow the water on them and under them and they will hang low again for a half hour.
My boys shrunk some too but I'm not worried bout it now. I'm just gonna do a 10 days blast of hcg before I pct to get them to get back to normal size..
Tink22I don't understand the issue with ball size....
Wifey does not know of the goings on. I need to keep it that way. She believes that my new superman bedroom performances are a result of my adding cardio and being in better cardiovascular shape. She commented that my nuts feel smaller after last nights performance. I have read that 500iu will bring back the size, but because of the last 6 weeks on cycle, it is better to hit a larger amount 1500-2500iu on the first blast then 250iu every 4 days until 10 days before PCT. Is this accurate? Just wanted some feedback from those in the know.
From my experience I would advise you to find a way to tell her. It will be better in the long run. It will also help with your cycle. Trust me. If you do decide not to tell her chances are she will find out and when she does shit will hit the fan. I've been married 15 years and it took her all of 6 weeks to figure it out. If she starts asking you better be prepared. Just be honest with her it will be a huge load of your shoulders.
We talked about it last night. She came to the gym for the first time in a while and was super turned on after watching me rep 315 for 5 on my last 3 sets of flat bench. Her exact words were, "I know you're taking something. I don't care. I dig the new muscle. Please be safe. It was super sexy seeing 3 plates on each side. Can we go home." I didn't want to cut the workout short, but I figured it was the thing to do since she was so cool about things. She was a beast last night. Her only request was to get the balls back to size. Started 750iu HCG today. Gonna hit 500iu in 2 days then 250iu every 4 days after that. In case your wondering I did go back to the gym later and get my chest workout in.
I may take you up on that. I'm sure she suspects.
Tink22Ahh I see. Well idk, I suggest finding a way to tell her truth. Be worse she finds out.
Benny BlancoX2! With all due respect.... What a fuckin pussy!
That's not how, "With all do respect.." works. You're an a$$hole! You should keep your bs opinions to yourself.
Benny BlancoUnless, of course, I agree with you. But to me, agreeing with you in this case would be complete BS. ...no offense