posted Tue, 07/15/2014 - 17:10
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Let's talk tren ace for a moment
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Ok most of you know my love hate relationship with Trenbalone. I have ran tren ace only for the reason I get sides to bad sleeplessness .. Moody ect. Tried all combos high tren low test vice versa.. Thinking about giving it one last shot very low dose test E tren ace cycle. Thinking of only running it at .25 to maybe .30 ed I've ran it at .50 and 1cc ed trying all combo of possibilitys. Anyone ever ran .25 ed? And I refuse to run tren e takes to long to clear. Let's get some conversation going here.
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i have also tried every combo with tren/test and get all the sides from it. trensomnia, increase sweating, increase aggression with mood swings.I am currently running 100mg ed along with test prop 50mg ed and mast prop 105mg ed.With that said, i am in love with this compound. i have found my super cycle. i will now include tren with every future cycle.. Now not everyone can cope with the sides from it but i for one find the sides are nothing compared to the incredible gains and fat loss.
It doesnt sound to me like tren is working for you brother even at low doses. Try test,mast,var or winni. Sometimes its not worth even testing the waters. Thats like saying im allergic to peanuts,but im going to see whats the lowest amount i can eat before i get an reaction.
I'm stepping into the world of tren very soon. I have about 6 vials on the way all 75mg/ml. For my first experience I've decided to go with a high test/low tren ratio. Tren is really the only compound I haven't ran. I wanted to hold off on it as long as possible before utilizing it's power; I figured everything else works just fine, why take it up a notch when I really didn't have to.. and the sides, were a little negatively persuasive in themselves.
Clearly I know nothing about tren, but I do have a theory on bad side effects. If you have bad sides move on to another compound. IMO sides are your bodies way of telling you it doesn't like this shit.
There's not a compound available that doesn't cause sides. It's part of the game, learning how to control them safely is the key.
The only time I've seen sides was when I've overdone it. Your body can only handle so much, I would venture to say most people would have no sides if they found their proper dosage. The problem is none of us have any patience. People think bigger is better that's just not the case.
Fighting the same cause here.
yep when abused! lower the dose and you wont have sides.
In that case I guess you could say it's all subjective though as everyone reacts different. For example low dose provi or mast may still cause hair loss in some cases, or extremely Gyno prone peeps may experience sides from low dose test, or someone with high Bf% running low dose Dbol could experience blood pressure issue.
in very rare cases. the majority can run this stuff in low dose with no problems. increase the dose and the percentage will increase with the dose!
Agreed big fella ;)
AnonI have horrible tren sides. I rarely use it. When I do only Ace is used. I've found if I pin everyday I get better results from a smaller amount. Than if I pinned eod. Example: 25-35mg ed has yielded more for me than 100-125+ eod. I have even used 1cc pins and injected twice a day. Pr e workout and right before bed. I believe the more stable I keep my blood levels (especially with a low dose) the better results I get. Tren kick my ass but you can't deny the results it gives. Good luck homie. If find something that works please let me know. This is a great post. More dialogue should be had about this subject. No doubt tren in any ester is the most interesting compound we have at our disposal. One of the most dangerous to.
One thing I've noticed with tren is that the sides get rougher and rougher as the compound builds up in my system. But then, when the active amount of the compound levels off, the sides subside. If I add a few more MGs, the sides hit me hard again until I level off. However, after about week 7, the longterm effects of the sides (sleeplessness, nightsweats, etc.) start to wear on me and I start wanting to drop the compound altogether.
I typically run tren a at 100mg ED with moderatly high test.
ive done 25mg day tren ace with 50 mg day test prop and got decent results. fat loss, strength gain and no sweats at night but did not get good sleep. im gonna try it the other way around with slightly higher doses next summer.
I'm at 100mg EOD from one source, with no sides aside from some excess anger. I feel great, nice and strong, with a solid three weeks in I'm very happy at this dose.
My last tren run, same dose, different source, and the side were ridiculous. Sweating profusely, insane rage, and completely unable to sleep more then 3 hours a night, however I didn't feel as good as I do now...I think it has to have something to do with the way the tren is brewed, being all other factors were the same (dose, diet, cardio etc)
I'm still a regular user, same lab often same lot number from same lab - 1 run perfect - next run a complete mess. I think it's the nature of that particular chemical and my life's experience with it is that 1) it's not predictable and 2) it's not really controllable either.
Could it be that the tren reacts different to non-steroidal chemicals in our bodies that we unknowingly produce based on thing lie stress, rest, happiness, etc? Say you ran tren while in a good point at life, and the amount of endorphins your brain was releasing was higher then normal, could that affect the way you respond? I would love to know if there is an answer to that because if one could implement that sort of combined effect, cycles could be much more productive
I don't think anybody knows, quite frankly. But this would make a great long term research project that everyone would be interested in the findings if you are so inclined.
I am going to do some searching on this and I'll post up any findings, but I have little hope of finding reliable info on this subject...
Or one was underdosed and the other one was on point. Thats my theory. Most of these domestic ugls are nowhere close to 100% pure. so if one batch you get is 65-70% then the next is 95%, and you run the same dose you're gonnna be getting alot more with the 95% pure batch.
It's a good possibility, one I wouldn't dismiss. The tren I have now has much less sides, but so far feels more potent. Doesn't make sense to me, but better results with less sides is something I won't complain about
yes i have, no sides! 35mg/d no sides. 50mg/d sides...
Did u gain or maintain strength while at that dose?
I dont remember
Thanks for the input
ive ran to many tren cycles since then.
The issue that arises is that tren rubs can be very different each time. I've run low test high tren with little or no sides, repeated with the same numbers and couldn't sleep if my life depended on it. It's a nuts compound, catches you out all the time.
The same applies with mood. Last time I ran tren my wife told me I was unbearable and had barely communicated with her during the cycle. In my recent competition prep, she didn't even believe me I was on tren.
Re numbers, lots of bro science here. Got to find what works for you, which is do hit and miss with tren. In reality I just think there's no need for it unless you're stepping on stage. It's a horribly unpredictable compound.
RustyhookerWhy tren? Whats your goal?
I've put on so much mass rusty preparing for this comp Saturday I need to lean down while keeping my strength up so I don't fall behind on my training for the next one end of august. Diet will be cutting calories to reduce my BF gonna try low dose of tren to keep strength while I'm Restricting calories that's my thinking
RustyhookerVar boosted my strength, hardens etc. Then you know you wont have tren issues. High mast prop/prop/anavar. 100/75/75 ed. Check feedback on that as option.
All you can do is see if a low dose is going to effective you positively or not. Your strength should go up, appetite maybe all you can do is see.
I dunno bro, at 250 lbs, 25 mg / day - 175 mg / wk. Too low for your size. You may get rid of the sides and at the same time really get rid of the positive effects as well.
Well going to start ultra low then gradually add to where the sides get to bad. I must be the only one that gets high quality tren before cause that stuff hit likeva Mac truck
I actually did start at .30ml ED and worked my way up to .50ml, as soon as I started the ace I dropped test down to just 250ml per week. The first couple weeks I felt kind of dark and aggressive,especially in the morning but then I just felt great. Have had some night sweating, day sweating and anytime sweating as well as ramped up dreaming but all livable sides. Just started tapering so just to see how testp and ace would inject together with a slin I continued it for the first week of tapering. Sunday I will drop the ace and finish off the final two weeks of taper with TestP alone.
I dropped the MastE a week earlier than the testE to help make sure these long esters are out of my system come PCT.
Tren just makes me a fucking nut job. I can sleep, night sweats aren't that bad. Bjt for example it was pouring out tonight and it made me so mad that it was raining I just wanted to strangle someone. My thoughts are super irrational, shit that happened 4 montsj ago that didn't even phase me I'm all fixated on and pissed off. Takkjg to myself and shit. Just bad mental sides. I think the lower dose will help tho. This didn't start till my dose got higher.
Does tren actually makes you an agression person? My friend takes it and he claim to have a sense if well being and more cocky.
Ummm I won't say more aggressive, but maybe. Luckily I don't really put myself in those kinda situations. But my fuse is definitely a lot shorter on tren. I get agitated a lot easier and over really stupid shit.
I have to admit my fuse is lightning quick but by being aware of it usually you can dial it back. But it can be sneaky
Ya i dont snap or anything, i just am very quick to get frustrated and pissed off. I don't let it show though its all in my mind.
I all sorts of talk to myself on Tren. Next time, I should throw a Bluetooth in my ear so I don't look so crazy. My hematocrit levels go off the charts.
Hahahahahah, that's way to funny bro great idea. I'm glad I'm not the only one, I was starting to think I was just going crazy. And I give blood every time in eligible so about every 8 weeks and it seems to keep things in check.
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Your a massive man GJ. Trenbolone sides are less the leaner you are. I'm not sure if that is your plan (to lean down). You compete in strongman correct? Deca, Dbol, and Abombs and Suspension are your best weapons no?
I'm talking after my comp.. And I even lean down and have bad sides
What's the longest you were able to run the Ace until the sides got ya?
5 weeks
Week 6 into seven I thought the post man was calling my name from my window at night
Man that's when shit starts getting good. Have you gotten on with NPP before? You down with NPP, lol
StevebTren always gave me a horrible cough. It was the only thing that bothered me about it.
I've done 50mg eod with high test and I still get night sweats