+ 2 Torem, Nolva *and* Clomid
I decided to try something a little different with PCT. I wanted to try Torem, I had read many great reviews on it, lots of guys having smooth PCT's. I also read about the synergistic effect of combining clomid and nolva in PCT.
My goal was to get the smoothness of a torem PCT, combined with the effectiveness of clomid and nolva. I also wanted to avoid the nasty sides of clomid that come with the 100mg a day dose.
I decided to run all three at lighter doses and see how things went. I am at day 18 of PCT, running like this:
Torem 60/60/45/45
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 20/20/10/10
and a little aromasin 3/3/2/2
My cycle was 12 weeks of Test E at 500mg, got my blood levels up to 4200.
I'm happy to report that PCT is going quite well. I never really felt bad, just went from feeling juiced to feeling normal.
Energy levels seemed to stay pretty good, did not have any days where I felt lazy
Libido was at it's lowest during week 2, but not completely gone. It seems to be back to average here in week 3.
I've had the normal morning wood everyday, did not lose boner ability at all up to this point.
The sides that I have noticed are vivid dreams, a little bit of heartburn during the first 2 weeks, and a slight increase in urination frequency. The frequent pissing may just be from consuming a lot of caffeine and drinking a lot. The urine volume is still high, and flow is strong and easy to start. Does not fit the description of prostate issues.
I did a blood test in the middle of week 2, no hormones just CBC and health screen. I'll share results when I get them. I'm a little concerned about RBC and hemoglobins and crits, I want to see if my blood donation helped with those levels. Also curious to see how my lipids look after a cycle.
I will be getting a hormone panel after PCT and see how I rebounded, Test level before cycle was 425.
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Second round of this 3 serm PCT is complete. Another easy one w/ no bad days or bad sides. Perfectly painless PCT.
12 days into PCT and happy to report that libido is back! It was gone from day 3 till day 11, but is good to go today.
Did you run the same aromasin dose the 2nd time around, I'm doing a 3 serm pct as week just without an ai
whoops, didn't mean to post twice!
But, I obviously mis-read the original post--my bad!
I don't understand. As far as I know from the original post, he isn't doing an ai at all during the pct protocal...?
I ran the aromasin a little higher this time around. 4mg a day
This PCT is going quite smooth so far, 2nd time around. Still have decent libido, energy, and attitude.
I'm trying this same PCT protocol one more time.
I did a prop taper after 12 weeks of test e 500mg a week.
It's been 22 days since my last pin of test e, and 6 days since last pin of prop.
I started the PCT a couple days ago and have had minimal sides.
Sides so far, vivid dreams and some night sweats. Libido actually went up a little after starting the serms.
The prop taper felt more like a PIP taper, it was a relief to quit the ED injections.
Great post bro. I'm gonna have to start looking into torem for my upcoming pct. making it as smooth a possible is always my goal.
I just got bloods back to see how I rebounded from this cycle and PCT. PCT ended 3 months ago, and my test levels were 125 higher than my natty base level was. went from 425 to 550!
Could be a natural fluctuation, but it makes me confident I rebounded.
http://www.eroids.com/pics/pre-cycle-bloods-5
Hey guys i was on trenbolone and test 6 week an stanazol primobolan 6 week i start pct for 6 days just clomid how long i have to doing it ? After this should i go on cycle or i have to wait please help me guys
You have got to be kidding me......
Why. Whats happen? Help me if you can please
EDIT: just saw that you're 24.....
You said you ran tren and test for six weeks and then did a pct for six days?
Why are you running a cycle, especially tren, without knowing how to do a proper PCT. Spend some time using the search function up top (the magnifying glass). Other than that direction, not many will get involved with someone under 25 running gear, especially tren and in such a haphazard way.
Then you asked if you should go back on, right after you just botched this cycle. You need to how to do a proper PCT and then stay away from gear for several years.
Thanks for helping me i was on tren 3 month Ago but i was on stanazol and primob too for pct i just have tl use clomid or add hgh and igf 1 ?
10 days out of PCT and feeling pretty good. Energy is normal, strength is still up, but libido is not quite back yet.
It's odd that my serms had my test level in the 700's vs the 425 I was pre-cycle, yet my sex drive is lower than it was precycle.
I'm still taking a little aromasin from time to time, but not daily.
You are good to go for a while but the key is going to be checking your levels after the two-month mark. That is when you will have a clear picture of a lot of things.
How often should one give blood if they have high levels like that?
The bloodbank requires 8 weeks between donations, I think bloodwork would be the only way to know if you've dropped your RBC's and hemo's low enough to stop donating. I'll be going every 8 weeks for a while!
Here are bloods from the middle of week 4.
http://www.eroids.com/pics/4th-week-of-pct-bloodwork
I stopped taking aromasin about 4 days before these bloods, but had been taking it at 2mg a day the first 3 weeks.
Test level pre cycle was 425.
Just looked at your labs. Everything looks as though it should (for where your at)............here is a potential problem that you might have in the future......... if your body is converting the test aggressively ( which it probably is due to your elevated e2) you won't hold those test levels eight weeks from now.
My recommendation would be to alter your lifestyle and other things to control your e2. Otherwise you will settle in at the 425 level.
That's my two cents.
I can only think of 2 ways to control e2, aromatase inhibitors and lower bodyfat. Is there anything else?
My E2 pre cycle was about 20, but my LH level was at the bottom end of acceptable.
pre cycle bloods, http://www.eroids.com/pics/precycle-blood-work
Diindolylmethane with Zinc for starters will go a long way...........cutting body fat will go a long way. If not I would resort to Exemestane since it is a suicidal inhibitor.
Still waiting on bloods, quest says it could take 7 days.
I got bloods done on friday, the middle of week four of PCT. I'll see if my FSH and LH got kicked in.
I just dropped the nolva out of the mix, will run the clomid and torem for another 3 days, and then maybe do a fifth week of just clomid at 25mg a day. Should see bloods tomorrow, I'll post em when I get them.
If you are going to do an extra week of anything my recommendation would be for Nolvadex at 10mg.
thanks for the advice, Whynot. I'll run the nolva for an extra week. I'm 45, so I figure an extended PCT certainly cant hurt.
mg for mg nolva is about 3 times more effective than clomid, i would agree, go with the nolva for the final week
If you are extending your PCT then keep your current protocol (esp the clomid). If your coming off PCT and looking to avoid estro rebound run the Nolvadex.
I should have blood results some time tomorrow, I'll post them and see how things are going.
Awesome I'll be happy to take a look. I am interested in seeing how well it worked.
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BillLumberghYou know I was thinking of trying this too. Instead I'm running just torem/novla and recovery is going pretty strong so far so I'm not going to touch clomid.
I'm in the middle of week four, and all seems well.
Libido is pretty low, but not non existent. I still get some good night time and morning wood.
I decided I better get some bloods done, to see if this PCT is working or if I fucked everything up by running three serms. I found a quest lab that was only an hour and a half from home. I'll post bloods when they come in.
I'm not exactly sure what bloods should look like at week 4, I'm guessing that I should have high levels of FSH and LH, and test should be getting back to my base line.
I'm still holding on to 10 pounds of my gains, and have dropped a little fat too.
I would recommend waiting 8 weeks AFTER your PCT is finished. Blood work now is not going to tell you if you recovered.
I wrote a post on bloodwork. Give it a read it might be helpful.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/bloodwork-what-to-get-and-when-must-read.
Whynot, I certainly will be doing bloods again 8 weeks after. Decided that since I'm running a non standard PCT I better check on things right now.
I did see your bloodwork thread, I have a question for you about. I'll post it there.
If you can afford it. Then I definitely recommend it and see the benefit. The more info you have the better.
Posted mid PCT bloods. RBC, hemogobin and crits are up. Cholesterol and iron are back into normal from being high last year.
Diet and weight update...
I encountered some challenges trying to keep up with my gym and diet goals.
I had a high paying job opportunity come up, it involves doing heavy manual labor for 8 hours a day. I don't want give too much detail, but I'm shoveling heavy stuff all day, and all week.
(it's in a remote, difficult to access location.... that's why it pays good)
My workouts have been much lighter, I just don't have much energy after shoveling.
I have also had a hard time keeping my calories up enough to match my work load. I eat every chance I get, but even my bulking diet is below maintenance with my current work load.
I gained 20 pounds on cycle, started at 177 and got up to 197. I am currently coming in at 186, but I'm happy with the definition that I see from dropping some body fat and all of that water.
I have some weird food allergies, and have a limited choice in food items. I eat lots of chicken, deer and elk... but rice is my only grain. I also consume mass quantities of almonds and raisins, I mix them together and eat them all day.
I have not checked BP, but I typically don't have issues with it. I do check my resting pulse rate often, most of the time it's between 47 and 50 bpm.
Good log keep it going.
Add to it your weight fluctuations as well as your blood pressure it will be helpful to the community, as well as any dietary changes as well as an overview of your diet.
The urination frequency increase is probably due to the hormone fluctuations your body is experiencing during PCT.
+1 for the detailed log.
I am trying something similar to this. 2nd day of pct today