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Blood work and How to tell if recovered? what numbers are we looking for

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Hey guys, was wondering what way to tell if your recovered, or on the path to recovering. Im asking because I am planning a cycle, but am in no immediate rush. I am cutting, at about 11 % bf now, going to wait untill I get to 8 % then do a lean bulk cycle. I have blood work from 4 weeks after pct ended and 9 weeks after pct ended. Is it ok to jump back on cycle given the appropriate time length if your lh and fsh numbers are good? or are you looking to get your total test back to pre cycle levels?

BLOOD WORK
Jan 2012
Testosterone total-780 (ref range 348-1197) 65% of max
Total estrogen- 53 ref range 40-115

Jan 2013 PRECYCLE first time
Test total-790 (ref range 348-1197) 65% of max
E2-20

August 2013 PRECYCLE second time
2 months after post cycle
Test total-617 (ref range 175-781) %79 of max
Test free- 99 (ref range 47-244)
Test free percent 1.6
Shbg- 53 (ref range 13-90)

Feb 2014 4 weeks after PCT
Test total-392 (ref range 175-781) 50% of max
Test free- 88
Test free %- 2.1 *note was using UNLEAHED natural free test booster, and shbg lower, I guess it proves it works lol
LH-5.9 (ref range 1.2-10.6)
SHBG-32
FSH-3.1 (ref range .7-10.8)

April 2014 9 weeks after Pct
Test total- 459 (ref range 175-781) 58% of max
Free test-78 * stopped unleashed after last Bloodwork
Test %-1.7
Shbg- 46

*so based on these numbers it looks like my total test is about 70% of the max ref range.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Just what i knew would come out your kiddie mouth.............. BANNED.

Engineereddisaster's picture

Hey, as a 24 year old 175 lb stud, you are the perfect man for the job.
No need to talk this brother down when he can get guidance from your badass. You have that extra year of experience over the O.p that will make all the difference.
I'm cool with turning it over to you. Wish I would have thought of that before I wrote all of that shit earlier.

vhman's picture

That's not how I roll. I actually give a fuck. Just because you think it fine for folks to continue destructive behavior, doesn't mean we will sit back and co-sign idiocy. Don't give advice if all you have to offer is "continue doing wrong" the OP has proven he can do that on his own.

BlackDoug's picture

Yes some damage may have been done but there's absolutely no reason to promote further damage...... WTH

Engineereddisaster's picture

There are a bunch of numbers that you need to look at but the most important number that you should look at before is the two digit number at the top of the blood test sheet. It's listed next to "Age:". You should wait for that number to read somewhere in the range of 27-30, before cycling again.
Hope that helps.

All my love, no homo
Ed

Engineereddisaster's picture

Don't take it personal brother, but when I see a post like this I see a young kid looking to get around the "time on+pct time=time off". Surely you've been around long enough to understand this concept but it's not what you want to hear is it? When I see kids looking to cut corners and taking it to the extreme, I see an unhealthy pattern that is going to lead you to trt at 25. This is where you are pouring gasoline on yourself and just wait for the flaming.
I've looked at your pics and honestly bro, you could have gotten just as far natty as you did on juice for your EBC pics.
Yet for the sake of giving it your all you ignored the fact that at 21 juicing is foolish and did what you wanted to do.
You say that you truly love bodybuilding and would do anything for it, but really you should re-phrase that by saying "I truly love body building and would do anything for it as long as I do it my way."
You have a number of guys on this post including the big V himself telling you to lay off the juice but it doesn't jive with what you want, so really, why even ask for advice? You don't want it if it's not what you want to hear, so why waste yours and our time?
I gave my two cents, it wasn't what you wanted to hear so it's shit.
Never mind the fact that I ran juice at your age and now looking back realize that I would be bigger and badder today had I not done it at such a young age.
The difference between you and I besides the fact that I was much bigger than you at 22 is I had no one to turn to, I didn't have old guys pointing me in the right direction. You have a gift here with guys like Vike, yet you seem to know more because you are more dedicated. Right?
Doesn't make sense does it brother.
I think it's great that you have "wrote like 80 posts" unfortunately brother that still doesn't make you any older, and judging by your response to the "flaming" I think it's safe to say that the 80 posts haven't made you any wiser.
So I say look at your blood work and do what you want, just don't ask for help if you aren't going to take it.

Engineereddisaster's picture

Everyone has a different base line. If you ran bloods before ever cycling, a few times that should give you a good idea of where you need to be during the recovery. I think this is why is so important to max natty potential before cycling. It gives you a better baseline for comparison. If a guy runs a blood test 49 lbs over weight his base line test numbers will likely be lower than it would be if he took a couple of years to drop the fat and build muscle. If he jumps into a cycle as a fatass, has a successful run loses considerable body fat he really won't have a good base line to compare. Not sure if that makes sense or not.

BlackDoug's picture

We'll put bro! +1

Gymjunkie01's picture

Oh .... Can a get a amen from the congregation..

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BlackDoug's picture

I'm going to try not to break any rules here. Most including myself would not give a 21-year-old advice on a cycle. I will say this though if your numbers are not back to where they were. Then no do not start another cycle. I am very curious as to what your test levels were before you started your cycle.

Gymjunkie01's picture

Your 21 bro really? why are you using aas at such a young age your natural test levels should be high enough where you will make great gaines if your eating and training hard

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VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Brother i think you need to sit down and have a life check!... i just clocked the pics from the EBC expecting to see a genetic freak who grew just from looking at gear pics lol..... man to be serious you have some serious learning and hard work to do before you put the rest of your life on "hold" indefinitely..... my suggestion would be to firstly become a nutrition expert as that is 85% the game as far as i am concerned.... bro i am a coach and compound consultant in real life and if you came to me i would refuse to take your money until you got yourself into some sort of aesthetic physique and would definitely advise against steroid use at this stage ... use your youth well instead of destroying yourself for the future imo.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

I have goals and bodybuilding is and will be my life,

That statement means to me like you care about nothing else!... at your age you should be looking at nailing down a great career and investing in property etc.... you should be nailing chicks by the van load and partying every night!..... a bodybuilding lifestyle needs 100% commitment and a self-centred approach to accomplish high goals in physique quality or competition if thats your bag.

Aesthetic comment was aimed at the fact i personally would say you need at least 2yrs hardcore diet and gym time to even start looking like a bodybuilder ... you are a big boy no disputing but the stereo-typical double inverted pyramid bodybuilder shape just is not there yet brother.

I am not aiming to rip you here bro... i want you take this onboard to make a better you without wasting your precious youth by jacking up on compounds you really dont need at your age.

lordoftheoctagon's picture

Nailing chicks in a van down by the river

Gymjunkie01's picture

its great to have goals my man but why not train as hard as you can till you hit that wall and get as big as you can with out AAS then start using them? we are just trying to help you bro we don't want you to hurt yourself or do damage that you cant reverse at such a young age that's all

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PIN_CUSHION's picture

Good luck with your dreams, but that attitude will not get you any help here.

lordoftheoctagon's picture

You're 22.....and bodybuilding is your life eh?....that's sad man.

lordoftheoctagon's picture

Because you're 22 man. Live your life! It'd cool to be involved in BBing. But you're still a kid.

lordoftheoctagon's picture

Check it out guy, Im competing in 19 days. BBing is huge part of my life but not my whole life. I'm very passionate about BBing but you have to be a fool or just plain old blind to think you have or could make a career out of BBing. No disrespect but only the top 3 in the world can make a living off of BBing, the rest have jobs just like everyone else.

lordoftheoctagon's picture

Agreed. Smh