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+ 1 My plans for an Oral only Cycle.

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WTF Ed? Everyone knows oral only cycles are stupid. You have to be joking.

No kids, I’m not joking. I’m very serious… but before you jump my shit please hear me out. As some of you know, I have had some medical issues as of late, and due to the issues the doc has me on Corticosteroids, which are in fact catabolic. The catabolic effects have been very evident, especially in the strength department. I still hit the gym hard, but every week, I notice in each lift that I am becoming weaker and weaker by the week. I am currently off cycle and have been for a couple of months now. My test levels are good, and to be honest I’ve never had such a decrease in size and strength like this.

So as of late and out of deep concern, I’ve been reading a good bit on how to counter this. I know for sure that my medical issue is going to require that I take the corticosteroids for at least another month. This is shitty to me. It seriously sucks to lose hard earned muscle.

So my cycle in turn will be 1 month long.
With the goal of stopping the catabolic effects of cortico steroids all the while minimalizing effect on my axis and natty production so that I will be able to start a normal cycle shortly after stopping the corticosteroids.

“Damn Ed, that’s a short cycle, you won’t get gains from that?”
That’s correct kids, but I am not running this cycle for gains, I am merely trying to stop the catabolic effects of the corticosteroids. Without upsetting my axis. That is my main goal. Anything extra will be a bonus.

So this is my cycle:

10 mg Anavar/Oxandrolone Every day split, once in the morning, once in the evening.
25 mg Proviron/Mesterolone Every day split, once in the morning, once in the evening.
20 mg Nolvadex/Tamoxifen, split once in the morning once in the evening.

Let me explain my rationale behind this little cycle. First let’s talk the Anavar/Oxandrolone.
The reason that I am going with the Anavar is because Anavar is actually FDA approved for use as an offset to protein catabolism caused by the administration of corticosteroids, and that is my very issue.

Yes kids, Anavar/Oxandrolone will cause shut down, but not too terribly significant in small doses. Studies show that 20 mg/day of oxandrolone suppresses endogenous testosterone by 67% after 12 weeks of therapy.

I decided on 10 mg/day, because it is quite a common dose prescribed for this very condition, and I don’t believe that one month of this will cause much suppression.

Oxandrolone, shuts the body down on high doses because it thinks the body’s test production is too high so it reacts by reducing the production of luteinizing hormone in turn eliminates further stimulation of Leydig cells in the nuts causing nut shrinkage.

This is where the Nolvadex comes in. I will use a small dose of Nolvadex/tamoxifen in hopes that it will counter the Oxandrolone by increasing the responsiveness of luteinizing hormone perhaps even giving me a slight increase in natural test. From my last blood test, my natural total test was above 800, which in my opinion for a 37 year old steroid using bro off cycle isn’t too bad. However my Free test was low. I believe this to be a result of the fact that I had eaten very little prior to the blood test. I experienced extreme weight loss due to the illness. I’m talking 20 lbs in 20 days. It was very shitty.

I believe the free test is back up because I have noticed quite an increase in sex drive since I’ve been eating again. I wish I had a blood test, but don’t. I’m pretty good at knowing where my test is at just from experience. So, I'll trust my inner feelings.

However, not taking any chances, to combat the low free test just in case), and yeah, I’d like to get a slight edge up on the competition, I am going to throw in 25 mg of Proviron/Mesterolone per day.
I decided on that number because from what I’ve read, that low of a dose doesn’t significantly reduce natty test levels. Yes, mesterolone in high doses will cause shut down, so again hopefully the Nolvadex will take care of this and be enough to counter such a low dose of Mesterolone.

So that is my cycle, and my reasoning. No, I don’t expect huge gains; I just expect that I will no longer see the catabolic effects of the corticosteroids. Once the month is over, I will stop the cycle and give myself a month before I jump back into a normal cycle. I don’t dare cycle with injectable steroids right now due to the immunosuppressive action of the corticosteroids. There are some serious risks of infection, and though I love my underground sources, I don’t want to take the chance of infection. I pinned pharmaceutical B-12 the other day and notice slight pip with that, and I never get pip from it. So I don’t want to take any chances with UGL gear.

To gauge my results, I will record my weight weekly (I am currently sitting at 215, 9-10% bf), and every Monday to gauge my strength I will for my first lift of the day, put 315 on the bar bench press and do five reps per set spacing sets out at 90 seconds per set until I reach the failure set. I will record the number of reps each week of that particular lift and compare week to week just as a general measurement. As a side note, before this sickness I could rep 405 8 times, now I can’t even come close. This is why I chose 315 as my number.

I understand my caloric base line, and I will strictly control my diet throughout the test.
Now that you have heard me out, feel free to critique, improve or share any thoughts. This simple light cycle is to merely keep me from losing any more muscle. That is the main goal. If I get an increase, that would be awesome.

Perhaps this little experiment will help any of you brothers who may be stuck in my same predicament of having to use corticosteroids such as prednisone now or in the future. I look forward to sharing the results in a month.

Thanks for reading, and please feel free to give some input, negative or positive all will be appreciated. I know we have some incredibly smart bros here so I wanted to throw this out before I jump in head first on Monday.

Thanks for reading.
All my love, no homo Ed.

HllwdBdBoy's picture

As much as I do see the methodology and logic to your madness bro, IMO accept downtime as downtime (especially when downtime is a legitimate medical issue). When you balance THIS post with your previous post its easy to see where your thought processes are coming form

Engineereddisaster's picture

Lol, there is no doubt where my thought process is coming from. Smile
Taking that into consideration, that same thought process starts thinking about future down times. Kind of like a junkie thinking about what he would do if he ran out of whatever.
I know that there is a strong possibility that I'll do several courses of corticosteroids throughout my life, and I also know of my fitness obsession, something that I hope to keep throughout my life.
So it really is about the decision to take my whipping like a man and work my way back up or try to take an easier road in the future.
I think my intentions are good right? Lol

(By the way, I'm pretty sure that hllwd is a shrink in real life, either that or he's been to so many that he has his honorary doctorate.)

Thanks for the input brother.

Makwa's picture

Not to keen on the mini-cycle. It sucks loosing size and strength. I lost a shit-ton when I was sidelined for 3months and had to drop out of my competition, but that is what life throws at us and we have to deal with it as best we can. If I had high T numbers like that I wouldn't want to take anything which could potentially suppress them in the slightest bit. I would just keep plowing through the gym like you are and do what you can until you are off of the meds and can start making some proper gains. Muscle memory is phenomenal and you will get back what you lost rather quickly. Have you looked into PEPS or SARMS instead?

Engineereddisaster's picture

I'm not too keen on the mini cycles either. This is really just a test to see what I can do in the future when this due comes at me again. There is a very high likelyhood that I'll be going on and off the corticosteroids for the rest of my life. This would just merely be a test to see if I can beat the catabolism associated with it without damaging my axis.
I will definitely look into the PEPS and SARMs for the future. Might be my next test. Thanks for the input brother.

TheFlash85's picture

what about andriol?

Engineereddisaster's picture

I think it might be a good idea, if injections were completely out of the question. This cycle is really just to stop the catabolism with little or no effect to my axis so that I can run a normal cycle once off the corticosteroids.

TheFlash85's picture

sorry mate scrap andriiol i should of read it beter you cant use it with cortis my bad

Engineereddisaster's picture

It's all good. I appreciate the input.

Pale's picture

Well my first response was to tell you to tough it out for another month, the muscle you lost will come back. But after reading how much thought and planning you put into it I think it is worth a shot. I am far from the expert on this tho. Good luck brother

Engineereddisaster's picture

Toughing it out for another month really probably is the best thing for me. However the likelyhood that I will have to jump back on the cortico steroids in the future is quite high. This would really just be a test to of there is something I can do in the future to prevent such a massive loss of muscle without damaging my axis.

Engineereddisaster's picture

The whole purpose of this cycle is to simply stop the catabolism with minimal impact on my axis so that I can run a normal cycle shortly after stopping the corticosteroids steroids. I don't expect gains, but I do expect to stop the catabolic effect. Which has been quite noticeable.
The normAl dosage for prescribed var to counter cortico steroids actually goes as low as 2 mg/day

Engineereddisaster's picture

Yes, and I've actually read a few studies on the effectiveness of hgh on countering the sides of corticosteroids and it does seem quite effective. I think that is definitely in the cards for my next test. Maybe I'm just being a cheapskate. Lol. Smile

Engineereddisaster's picture

My fear is Stallone face. Lol. I'm just too damn pretty to be messing with that attribute. Smile

TheFlash85's picture

lol my bad fixed.

Engineereddisaster's picture

Neg'r please!

Engineereddisaster's picture

Lol, who negged you on that?
I thought it was funny. Smile

Engineereddisaster's picture

I think you are right. The blood tests would be very smart. That's really what I want to do is ensure that there is zero effect to my natty production, all the while halting the negatives from the corticosteroids.
Thanks for the input

Engineereddisaster's picture

Yeah, I can't imagine that the sides on such a short weak cycle like this would be too hard to overcome.

Engineereddisaster's picture

I actually am in the process of procuring a prescription for var. It may happen. Smile

It is FDA approved for this very reason. However when a 215 lb bro complains to his doc about muscle wasting its hard to convince the need for a script. Lol. But I have a guy. Lol. He's teetering I it right now. Smile

PIN_CUSHION's picture

Good luck. Sounds like you definitely put a lot of thought into this to do it right. Most guys just pop em and have no clue what it will do to them all they know is it's roids so it's gotta work.