Bill Roberts (steroid guru or moron)?
Okay so I'm sure most of you know or have at least heard of Bill Roberts. He is referred to as a "steroid guru" and he is on several forums.
He has a degree in microbiology and cell science and a PhD in medicinal chemistry so he is obviously no dummy. He has worked with Dan Duchaine and many others in the industry, but if you don't know who he is you can just Google him.
Anyway, my question is this: why would someone with so much knowledge and experience advise such crazy cycles. He has suggested that tren for first timers is totally fine and has trained people this way. He also suggests tren and dbol only cycles and what he calls short cycles which are 2 on 4 off. Basically you hit it hard for two weeks (tren ace, test prop, dbol) and then pct for 4 weeks and then start over again.
He says something about the pituitary not being shut down and recover being easy and these guys gain and keep 7-10 lbs during these short cycles and don't suffer any real shutdown or have elevated liver values or have negative lipids.
To me this just sounds like a rollercoaster ride and a hormonal nightmare. What do you guys think about Mr Roberts and his protocols?
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Is this that new age teledildonics thingamajig?!
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ive used several of bill roberts suggestions and they worked fine, ive done the short cycles well. There is something great in everyone, from bill all the way down to new guys and I have learned from them all. But I take a little here and a little from there and eventually I build what works for me, with all that and my personal experience.
Ever since I read Arnold's body building book in high school I stopped following one person, I cant train with anybody because mid set I might look in the mirror and decide to change routine. I sure in the hell cant follow someone elses cycle, diet, training, or anything else. But I will listen and will probably consider, and maybe use something they say.
Learn your own experience!
Without pioneers like bill roberts and dan duchaine we would still be very much in the "dark ages" regarding steroids and thier usage!.. without cutting edge type people we are very much dead in the water i think.... thing is!.. when a guy is at the top of the game or at the cutting edge it is very easy for underlings to judge or tear apart theories that they themselves know jack shit about.
Building things is to essentially "evolve and grow"
Tearing things to pieces is the easiest job in the world.. and is a massive part of human nature unfortunately!.... but thank fuck some of us are not the stereotypical buffoons that just prefer to spend life with their heads firmly stuffed up their buttholes.
Ignorance is NOT bliss gentlemen....... wake the fuck up and make a difference for yourselves TODAY.
Someone can be super intelligent and educated in areas but still be as ignorant in other areas as those not so academically educated.
Regardless of who a person the one thing that is a known fact about steroid use is it definitely doesn't effect all people in the same way as far as side effects. So anyone giving advice like it is gospel without putting that disclaimer in is naive and arrogant imo.
Since being here I have found some people can get away with little to no AI while others are the complete opposite. Also a young man died during a cycle which many others have done far worse and lived. So by these facts I conclude that to say to lump anyone or anything into a total category is both careless and irresponsible of any so called "Guru". Still to many unknown variables about what we are doing and the different effects that the multitudes experience.
I do believe that if you have a shred of caring about your possible future health to air on the side of caution is wise when using these substances. But again that is an opinion.
That is very true. 50% of my staff at work have PhDs from done of the best universities in the world. Some of these guys can't wire a plug they have so little common sense. Geniuses and sone even pioneers in their field, academia is only a small part of what we call intelligence.
Book smart with no street smart.
Agreed bro. And that's the problem with someone like him. Of course people are going to look up to him and some unfortunately take his word for gospel and run everything he says.
Yes I agree and it gives the naive the justification to not even think or research for themselves.
I guess time will tell if Robert's protocols are worthwhile. I just wouldn't want to be one of his test subjects to find out though.
Bill Roberts is definitely a smart dude but I think the problem is is that he tries to be a little "to cutting edge" for his own good.
Dan Duchaine was a very smart dude and got a lot of things correct but he also got a tremendous amount of things wrong. Nonetheless in my opinion he was a value-added to the cause. He constantly researched medical journals performed his own experiments and developed his own theories (not all of which turned out correct). Him along with others doing these types of things is what has gotten us to our current knowledge base.
I think that's the case with Bill Roberts, I definitely don't agree with a lot of the things that he preaches but I think some of the pioneering stuff that he is doing is definitely value-added.
That's my two cents.
Yeah he definitely is a valuable resource but I think the problem is like I started above, some will take what he says as the gospel and run his protocols without thinking because of his expertise. I guess like anything we have to take the good with the bad.
I never understood how people can run compounds without understanding what they are putting into their body............ I don't think he is to blame for as long as people want to be sheep they will always find a shepherd.
I disagree if you make your money as being a credible steroid mentor or whatever, then you should be held accountable for your counsel. Yes people who want to be sheep get what they earned for being so trusting. But he should still be called out for his poor advice. It goes towards his credibility as a mentor of information source. He should blamed for saying potentially dangerous shit and those who blindly follow it should be blamed for being naive and stupid.
I agree with you. That those in the mentor role should be held accountable for bad Advice. But this is no different than a regular doctor giving bad TRT advice.......that Dr. should be held accountable.......... but the ultimate responsibility lies with the individual......... and if people don't want to take things into their own hands when it comes to their health and be proactive then they end up with a potluck chance and can't complain about.
I don't expect everyone to get a pharmacology degree or an MD but not to even know the basics about things you put into your body...........that to me is just inexcusable.........
Ultimately people should be responsible for their actions.
Very well said!
Thanks buddy.
Couldn't agree more.
He could be correct since he has superior background comparing to most gym rats like us. And he might be able to monitor blood work for his athletes to ensure they are on the right track. But people here are just trying to play safe and its proven by many people that if we do a standard cycle(varied from 8~16 weeks depends on substance) and a proper pct we can keep the gain while staying relatively healthy. Theres no reason to follow that protocol.