posted Wed, 02/26/2014 - 03:56
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losing 10% bf and gaining 15 lbs of muscle in 6 weeks on sust?
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Okay so I know how hard and long it takes to recomp (drop bf and gain muscle) but there is someone on here who posted a 6 week transformation self picture with no stats but by looking at the pictures they have dropped about 10% bf and packed on about 15 lbs of muscle all in supposedly 6 weeks on sust and nothing else.
I have seen a lot of dramatic transformations but nothing that extreme in that amount of time. I questioned him about it and he said it's because he is unemployed and he lives in the gym and works out hours a day.
Don't get me wrong he made a dramatic change and I told him he did but not in six weeks on just sust. Am I wrong? Has anyone else made such a transformation in such a short time?
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If you have those caveman muscle building genetics then I'm sure it can be possible.
If you have skinny-fat genetics which are the worst in the universe for building muscle --such as myself, this would be impossible.
I personally know someone who went from 280 pounds to 207 and ripped for his show....It took him 15 weeks not fkn 7 I honestly have to say that is unbelievable. This guy you guys know and i know him personally from where I live and growing up with is relatives. Jerry is his 1st name you can fill out the rest. I just popped him up about it and he said the only way this would happen is if he was over 2 grams of test and was using Myostat and living in the gym literally every day 8 hours a day. 15 weeks absolutely believable, 7? I am now dumber.
Exactly!
Check out these results Jan 5th to Jan 30th
http://www.eroids.com/pics/sust-250-top-picture-taken-5th-jan-bottom-lef...
lol same old its like the juice heads at my gym always lying about what and when their on, say there off even though i see a bandaid or there on just 1ml of test but there covered in acne and have milk thistle in their bag and you could pop them with a pin lol.
that made for a good laugh flash, you're right, the crap they spit out of the side of there mouth thinking hey he must be stupid as well makes me grin, and often it's what they don't say that gives their story away as well. we have this guy at our gym has a lean mean looking build, like national level physique type of build now his arms and delts shadow the rest of him, guessing his arms tape out above 20" and he makes a point to tell everyone he is natural lol, without me ever making mention of aas he tried to go down that road with me well I didn't hold back and shared myself with him and everyone in ear shot. something I would have normally walked away quietly, just that this kid is a condescending prick who needed to know he couldn't bullshit everyone especially the old bull lol...
possible? yes very possible, coming from a Marine fleet force I've seen young men recomp quickly. that being said the hard work and dedication to training and nutrition has to be fierce and any and all chemical enhancement speeds the process. it's been my experience that the more extreme cases were with people that had a solid foundation to start with. this young man does. I hope for his sake he is being honorable and sharing truth. benefit of the doubt given here.
Fact is nobody has a clue about his previous or current stats or how old the pictures are from start to finish!..... dude has made a rod for his own back due to NOT providing info which we ask for every fkn single hour of the day... SO! to the guy in question its your own fkn fault you are catching flak for everythiong being so fkn vague about authenticity ...... take it on the chin and do things right next time!.... in the meantime get some stats in your profile to save pissing me off any further.
This makes the rest a mute point. No stats and making claims about gains to me disqualifies one from being legitimately taken serious.
That pretty much sums it up!
Well, when you add muscle, your body fat percentage goes down just based on math. If you are 250lbs at 20% BF, that means that you carry 50lbs of fat. If you then gain 10 lbs of muscle that 50 lbs will be a lower percentage of the ful 260, 19%. Couple that with the very likely possibility of shedding 3-5 acual pounds of fat and you're sitting at 255 at 17%. Recomping isn't easy, but with the right mindset, determination, focus and diet it is very possible.
I'm going to call plausible.
Looked at his post and here's what I ascertained as the key points.
If this fact is true and it happened pre-transformation 500 mg of sust plus a super on point diet and his calorie expenditure during the day can definitely yield results like this.
And let's not mention freaky genetics. I've seen some of the top pros transform themselves In 6 to 8 weeks time from letting themselves go which is beyond whatever this individual achieved (and in my opinion he achieved a lot).
That's my two cents based on how I perceive the situation to be.
Okay I'll agree with plausible but this kid has been called out for blasting and cruising and posted some link to some YouTube crap showing a bunch of chemically pumped f tards and ZYzz (who is now dead) and that's who he wants to be so he isn't just running sust. He's probably 21 and has used all kinds of shit. Guaranteed!
Here's how I look at it. Being older I can't really relate to Zyzz and that group but how is it really any different than the idiots that ran around during the late 80s during the freestyle era? You should be old enough to remember that.
The kids are into being ripped and chasing chicks and getting laid. Granted some of the practices that some of these guys get involved with are not healthy but how is this different than any other generation. We've all done some pretty stupid things when we were younger.
Plus everyone on here always talks about that the key to getting results is all about diet, You have a kid that gets results which clearly took discipline. We should be supporting him as a community instead of calling him out. I mean think of this community and what most of the topics focus on, It's not like this is a natty forum.
And as far as "chemically pumped" aren't 99% of the people here "chemically pumped"?
This is the first time you and I have interacted so you don't really know my personality so please don't take any of it as disrespectful. Just sharing my point of view.
No disrespect taken bro. Now about the point you made about him having discipline and getting results I have to say in his case it's more CHEMICALS than discipline. He is the kind of kid we try to help because he is probably running so much shit it's not even funny.
And when I say CHEMICALLY PUMPED I'm not referring to the 99% of us who run proper cycles. I'm talking about kids like this who run test, tren, clen, slin, hgh and some orals.
And your dead on about the 80's and that we've all done stupid stuff but we've come a long way since then and the knowledge and information is there now. These kids think they are invincible and are running way crazier stuff than the guys back then. Imho that's why we are here. To set them straight and point them in the right direction.
My point is that what he achieved is definitely achievable in the specified time frame based on what he claims he did. Whether he actually did it or not I have no idea.
I have no idea whether he actually ate the diet he posted, but I'll tell you what his diet was pretty on point based on what he wrote.
That's one of the reasons why I said plausible.
I get your intentions trying to look out for the younger misinformed. Props for that.
80s was a near vertical learning curve for me...... 1001 mistakes with zero option to learn fast or crash and burn............ hard but happy days back then.
With all of the pussy available in the 80s for in shape dudes I am sure there was a lot of horizontal learning going on.
lips are sealed bro...... i may have an hammer on here but suzy has a real hammer if my lips get loose on here i may end up with a face like a bursted pomegranate lmao!
I had no idea you guys have been together that long. Good for you and long-term commitment you don't see that often nowadays.
I agree with Whynot. I looked at those pictures I don't see how it isn't achievable in that amount of time. As a wrestler and a fighter I know through strict training and diet that you can make a huge change to body comp in a short time. Especially if you have the muscle maturity underneath. You can see where he has the foundation underneath the fat and water. Personally I think it is very achievable and I also don't think it is that spectacular at his age. Don't get me wrong I think he looks great but it is not that unheard of.
People always underestimate diet and muscle memory coupled with work ethic and it's amazing what could happen. Muscle memory is really an amazing thing.
I agree I have seen it over and over. I have also seen guys go through military training and in a very short time in SF training they recomp quickly
Lol.. that kid has been blasting and cruising actually.. he had a hissy fit when we showed honest concern for his health.. just take a look at gorrilafits comment and there is your answer.... no.. I think this person just loves to argue for the sake of arguing
Now that makes more sense.
No way even with perfect diet unless his dosage was pretty insane that's the only way I see this being possible but the sust doesn't even act quick enough for this to be possible
RustyhookerI've done several of the ebc's to show pix proof of gains/losses. My best looking finish was 27lbs fat lost and finished pix still posted of shoulder/pec shot. That took 5months. I ate with no cheats. I did gym 6days a week to failure. I also did 6 days a week of 2-1hr cardio sessions per day.
But to both lose fat AND add that level of muscle.......doubtful.
http://www.eroids.com/pics/sust-250-1#comment-1324239
That's what I'm saying and I know you know your shit. I just find it odd that he has several comments and I'm the only one who questioned it.
Actually gorillafit just called him out as well.
I'm not calling the guy out and I complemented him on his changes but that's impossible in 6 weeks.
BuckyDentureThe thing is both Gorilla fit and Rusty Hooker are extremely old farts . Its hard to admit it and we all want to think we are ageless but theres nothing like being 25 , I dont care how much juice you are taking. Im not saying you cant look good over 40, just that its a much harder hill to climb.
Ive notived this a lot around here actually, people forget the requirements and course of action for two people with 20 years of age difference can be a very different course.
But hey thats just my observation as an old fart ma self ;)
RustyhookerThat is a very valid point! It's easy to get jaded with these 21yo dudes running dnp, clen and thyroid. So maybe he fully went balls out. He looks yoked for sure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jM_bHLno9s
Here is a link he posted. He's unfortunately into the new chemically morphed retards and wants to be like Zyzz and all those guys. I hope he realizes the consequences before it's too late.
So dude I bet anything that's exactly what he did. Test, tren, clen and who knows what else. As someone even said he's actually blasting and cruising and he has no stats and I bet he's 21.
BuckyDentureI kind of doubt it but how old is he and what was his condition 6 months ago ? A guy that used to be in great shape and is young could potentially let them selves slide a bit and then bounce back pretty quick. I really have no way of knowing though so I try to take things at face value, its just not worth it to try and investigate the "truth" to every story.
I hear ya! I try not to investigate everything either but this got my attention. I mean at 6 weeks the sust is just getting started and unless he has the best genetics in the world or as you said was in great shape before and bounced back there is no way anyone can gain that amount of muscle and drop that amount of bf in that time.
BuckyDentureyup I totaly agree with you. Just pointing out a reminder that age and prior conditioning play a huuuuge role.