posted Mon, 02/10/2014 - 15:33
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Anyone experienced with using fast esters like prop and npp with dbol?
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Im considering running some fast esters and wanted to know if anyone had run dbol with them and how it went. Is it worth any additional gains and did you see any raise in sides like blood pressure and water retention?
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Bro short ester cycles should be held off of til at least cylce 4 or 5 that way you have more experience with PIP, pinning technique and site rotation... many fall short with short cycles because they don't realize what they are getting themselves into
Well I'm glad that you at least have some advice based on reasoning hehe. Hard to get sometimes. I appreciate it....im OK with pinning and have a girl who will do it but am leaning towards long esters anyway just for a more steady taper off.
"OK with pinning" has nothing to do with to bro... training 6-8 different sites takes some doing. most casual users stick to the basic 4 (glutes and delts) you are going to need at least 6 for a proper(comfortable) short cycle and prop to the quads is no picnic LOL... seriously bro, ease into it
im really interested in the synergy between NPP and Dbol as the deca/dbol has treated me well.
yeah ive never done oil in to the delts before, only igf. i have though done prop to the quads and am cool with that.
ok I am done here! you are obviously not interested in taking direction and are only looking for validation for what everyone else is telling you is not the best way to go... good luck figuring shit out on your own. we have a great search bar.
I am locking this post now because you are obviously fishing for a cosigner for what everybody is saying is a bad idea
age? stats? cycle history? goals for cycle? diet? training? nutrition?
also, ive seen your other post, youve laid out many cycles in the past couple of weeks, from test deca dbol, to eq test, etc etc, what are you actually running??? no one will co sign bro
Two cycles actually. Im not looking for a cosign this is a conversation topic about short acting esters and dbol.
here to help bro, just need clarification, i dont want to give advice if your running cycles consisting of that many compounds, i dont agree with it, i like to give advice on the proper way of running aas, meaning sensible safe cycle with ancillaries pcts with time off, i know alot of people dont do it, but thats the way i advise, i wont help anyone whos abusing. let me know mate.
The esters don't change the compounds....only the active time it raises blood levels. Why would this be more dangerous than running test deca dbol? That's what im asking... do you have an answer?
stats and cycle history please
If you are using a short estered compound I don't really see the need for using and oral such as dbol for a kickstart. Those short esters are going to kick in quick so you don't need to kick them with an oral, like you would if you were using a long ester.
Dbol works really well for me in the past and it seems like the synergy between that and deca would only be better with npp. Im thinking of maybe doing a mini-kick for like 7 days or so while the prop kicks in
What is you cycle history bro?
I've done four or so but the most recent was a test/DECA/mast w dbol kick. Was great but I'm dropping mast. Even at low doses I got some hair loss.
My experience with them is this. I use them as a kickstart, there's a lot more pinning and they hurt a little more. Other than that there the same thing man.
Like polyester? Im pretty fast in polyester...lol
No....like short acting.
Hey you have to do your own research.
....also i cant answer your question because it has been many years since i toyed with dbol back in my unadvised youth..but i have always been a fan of long estered test/eq/mast. Just my preference.
...As far as water retention and blood pressure: that is why we learn by adding one compound at a time and small doses to high..so we can figure out what and how are bodies adapt to different compounds.also fully researching(on your own) each compound and how it effects you..and of course blood work for baselines...Good luck bro
Just teasing cuz...
Fast esters??
You need to put some more time in with the search function. Others suggested this same thing in both of your cycle logs. Good advice.
Yes fast ester.....whats the problem with asking this? I know how to search....im asking for current experienced views. Super helpful posts like yours are getting to be too commonplace any more. Everyone has to be a smart guy.
There is no such thing as a fast ester. Makes no sense. I've read your two cycle logs and this post is the same. You are looking for people to agree with what you want to do, when you've been told to slow down and drop these "short" esters (not fast). You saying this says you haven't researched. Just spend the time. Listen to what people have to offer and quit being hostile to those who point out answers you don't want to hear.
Short esters are the fast esters, duh. Thanks for all your help.
Anyone with actual experience using prop/npp with dbol would be good.
You still don't get it! An ester makes the compound remain longer in your system. How can you equate it to being "fast"? It does not make things "faster". TNE (testosterone no ester) has no ester and the shortest half life in your system. When you add an prop ester, it lasts longer in your system and therefore is slower. Again, study....
You've asked quite a few expert members about prop, npp and dbol and they all said to hold off. Good luck with blazing ahead.
Fast ACTING esters. Does that word help you understand? Damn dude.
Tried to help you understand, but it looks like you are having issues. Best of luck.
Thanks for the neg karma lol.
I do think I understand.....short esters are fast acting esters with agirter half lives. What do you not get?
Npp is fast nandrolone....deca is slow.....
Prop is fast test.....enanthate is slow......
Hope that helps.