+ 1 Opinion on Aggressive Stimulants pre-workout
I have reviewed the forum posts on AAS and lethargy and it is becoming unbearable. The cycle I am ending
800mg ew of EQ
500mg ew Tren
100 mcg of T3 (I am a T3 patient) so it does mitigate the Tren
250mg ew test
50mg ed Proviron
0.25mg caber e3d
6.25mg Aromasin eod
I am having insomnia as well. I read a little bit about AAS withdrawal and last night I jabbed myself with 200 ml of Test Suspension and slept like a baby.
I'm really not sure where this should best be posted because I'm looking for members of the community that have experience with real stimulants - which are the best to use - and I'm not looking for the latest greatest pre-workout. Something more drastic, short of ADD or ADHD meds or amphetamines (I'm looking to be alert and focused not a stroke victim). I'm not a doctor and I think we have some on the board, so I'm hoping someone will see this and offer me some safe help. I'm certainly not advising those new to AAS to be using recommendations that may arise here is a "green-light." So if the MODs have somewhere else to put this - by all means.
GearHead
P.S. I am a TRT patient (not proud of that either, my own stupidity when I was 20) so you will never see any PCT with my posts.
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I personally dont think its a good idea for normal training. Maybe once in a blue moon or for various athletic events but dont add the strrss to your body just to feel more hyped for your workout.
in fact I have used them for high level competition and it usually makes me worse. Too jittery.
Just read some of the shit on these boards before hitting the iron lol........ that alone creates enough aggression in me to last a few hours lmao!
lol.... i crack me up, i just read about a guy trying to cram fish into a cup to weigh it from the height it reached............ LMFAO, thats enough to keep me fkn growling all through my chest bombing tomorrow.
aylmejorit would work. dont be a hater.
no hate bro.... i told you i love you once what more you want.... blood! lol
hey Gear, considering I'm practically half way thru my cycle running the same compounds at almost the same dosages as you and I'm feeling fine for the most part, sometimes I get very tired from lack of sleep and work however what working stiff doesn't right lol. can it be something as simple as a vitamin deficiency? low iron? ran into this about 8yrs back dr took blood and confirmed iron deficiency after a month of otc iron supp I was gtg till I later developed sleep apnea. very basic but hey ya never know. maybe a blood work up with your dr?
First. How do you like that cycle? I think it's killer really. The vitamin problem could be. I get labs done every 21 days (don't ask how I ended up with that interval) and they look OK - at least what I would expect with those compounds and dosages. I do have an E2 problem (all my life) and its always too high - so I'm sure that isn't helping either. Sleep. I do have a sleep study coming up - I started to get some apnea when I started running HGH - swelling of the hands, feet and yes throat!!! - but I put myself on a low dose of prednisone that I was able to stop and it killed the edema problem. Iron? Mmmm. Probably should check.
Thanks bro. Much appreciated.
my pleasure amigo, gotta say this has been my favorite and most productive cycle since my first one. seemed like I was leaning out, Harding up with slow gains, I came across Vikings 3k shake post after a couple of weeks I started growing , like a weed again, just wasn't getting enough macros in go figure lol. I love to eat but the bigger I get, damb if it doesn't get harder to hold onto the weight let alone grow. the tren e I added about a week and a half ago for the last ten weeks and I'm just now starting to loose a little more sleep. I've used tren e a few times next time I think I'll go with acetate tho. I have been sleeping with the c-pap machine for over a year and bro if you do end up with a apnea diagnosis this thing will have you sleeping like a baby again, just takes a little time adjusting to wearing that damb mask on your face LOL.
Since your coming off so many items I wouldnt add anything quite yet.
I would let your body stabalize and recover your HPTA and then see
how you feel. It may be a little rough but you should recover,
Caffeine 200mg. Safe and Potent. It is probably the only active/ useful component of so-called energy concoctions anyway. Do NOT use prescription behavior psychostimulant health meds such as Adderall or provigil like some people are suggesting. They are intended to promote mental focus and not physicial stamina and they tend toward an anorectic feeling- not hungry. Long term studies are lacking on the safety of these drugs in addition.
GearofWarI'll be watching this thread very closely because I'm having the same exact issues and running VERY similar doses and the same exact compounds except I'm on Anadrol too-short term. I'm wiped the hell out. Very often. I don't have Trensomnia issues at all though. Sleep like a stone actually but want to sleep all day too.
Thanks bro. The anadrol may cause a spike in BP, and for me, any sustained elevation in BP saps the energy right out. Not the power necessarily. As soon as I pick up that first 45 lb plate I can almost tell what kind of day it's going to be. You always know of a potential issue when the uninitiated genuinely mean well as they compliment you on your "tan." LOL. One mistake in judgement was using too much furosemide over a couple of days just to knock down the edema that seems to build up over time plus take down the Sub-Q bloat from the HGH. As soon as I smooth out to much and start losing too much vascularity, there's only so much softness I can stand before vanity takes over. Plus then I start feeling small and weak. If I could hit 5' 9" at 250 at 5% I could get rid of my day job! Enough fun. Dreams are important though. LMAO
Ya if you're already having sleep problems stay away from the adderall (although honestly I do love the stuff, harsh side effects tho). Plus it makes it next to impossible to eat, sheds tons of fluid and will have u shitting all day.
When im cutting and really dragging ass, hungry, fatigued etc, I like Lipordrene with 25mg ephedra extract. Ill pop one about 30 mins before I actually want to get out of bed in the morning and a 2nd early afternoon and thats plenty. I like the original better than the hardcore personally, but that stuff gets me going better than anything else.
Just a side thought tho, could it be liver stress? You dont have orals in cycle I see, but just to explore all possibilities.
I would first explore the option of whether you have adrenal fatigue or not. Because if you do have adrenal fatigue a lot of the compounds that would help your situation would also perpetuate the adrenal fatigue. Not very healthy. I have read some of your posts so you definitely have the intellect to figure some of the stuff out. Do some research on adrenal fatigue and its relation to elevated T3 as well as AAS in general. If you have any questions after that feel free to ask me here or p.m. me.
If the adrenal fatigue comes up negative. My suggestion would be to try some of the milder CNS stimulants such as caffeine and ephedrine. Those were fairly well. Hope you find this helpful. Happy new year.
The only thing I can come up with for your lethargy besides the things you mentioned would be Provigil. It is a drug used for narcolepsy, shift work sleep disorder, and has an FDA approval for fatigue in MS. It would give you the focus and awareness you are looking for, but it does have a potential to cause insomnia. In my experience it's pretty well tolerated with mild side effects. Just need to monitor Bp.
Try fat burners... I would use an E-C combo, or if you want to go with something else use OxyElite Pro from USP labs. Both will wake you up within 30 minutes. Otherwise, the obvious.. amphetamines (I.e. adderall)... For better sleep I stick with MassHGH, works wonders if you just want OTC.
I agree with the ephedra, it is a stimulant that works well to stay alert and awake. I even feel a little euphoria from it for the first couple of days I start cycling it. It works better for me than caffeine. Caffeine seems to wear off too quickly, needing to be dosed a few times during the day. I usually just take one dose of ephedra in the morning to get going for the day.