posted Fri, 12/06/2013 - 05:59
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Proviron in PCT
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Hey guys I have a question about using Proviron in my post cycle. I plan on running Proviron at 50 mgs ed throughout my post cycle with NOLVA and clomid. My question is A-Sin still necessary to add in my post cycle to combat the estrogen rebound or will the Proviron cover those bases for me. Thanks for the help.
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Proviron can yield some benefits during pct, especially with keep the sex drive active. As far as anti-estro effects go, asin is still your best bet.
Not only does asin inhibit estro-producing enzyme activity, but it stimulates the release of both LH and FSH hormones, which play a vital role in reviving your testis to start producing again. Clomid does this as well, so the two work in synergy with each other.
I can show you my most recent bloodwork. I dropped the cycle and worked back to baseline figures using no PCT and only caber and aromasin. After 6 weeks of no gear, ran bloodwork, and the results were
Test: 189
LH: 5.2
FSH: 10.8
E2: 19.2
Without the aromasin those gonadal levels would have been much lower. And for those of you wondering why I wouldn't do pct:
My natural test levels as lf 3 years ago were 256 before even starting anything. I let it crash as naturally as I could without too harsh of side effects, so that I can get as close to baseline figures before seeing the doc to be out back on script. If I did a pct, since I'm obviously not hypogonadal, my LH and FSH along with test would have rose above MY normal levels. This would not have been baseline and if above 350 chances of getting a script fade.
Adding to this... The stimulatory effects of clomid, nolva, and aromasin cause the gonadal hormones to elevate. In terms of HPTA they serve the purpose of promoting test production. That's the goal of pct, no doubt.
Problem in my case is the I don't produce naturally what is considered normal for a 32 yr old male. The stimulatory effects of the PCT ancillaries will cause levels to rise. But this is Beyond baseline. Once ancillaries are discontinued and active lives of each expire, the axis begins to take over on its own. This is where your baseline is achieved, and is the reason we say: "post pct blood work 4-6 weeks after pct".
What does that mean for me... It means, I add clomid and nolva and gonadal levels rise further. Their stimulatory effects on the restores cause test levels to rise as well. Go see the doc and if levels are above 350, he may or may not treat for TRT. With clomid and nolva, this would happen. Once they're discontinued, however, guess what happens to levels? They drop back to baseline.
The effects of clomid would seem as a good thing, since i don't produce properly. In fact, clomid has been clinically trialed and approved as an alternative to TRT. But I'm not staying on clomid. My goal is to get back on TRT.
AnonI hear that man. I'm definitely going to get the blood work done to see where I'm at 4 to 6 weeks after pct
AnonWow thanks a lot for that detailed explanation it definitely answered my question for me. I appreciate the wealth of knowledge that you share with all of us on this forum bro.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkYou're welcome brother. Glad it was helpful.
BeaverhunterProviron benefits PCT by increasing libido but has no influence on the HPTA so I only use it on cycle....it free's up a lot of extra Test
AnonYa man that's why I'm using it during pct for libido boost and keep the muscles hard and full