+ 3 This is not your standard PCT. This is to the max!
While starting your post cycle therapy, many will have different experience depending on what you've taken, how much you've taken, and how long you've taken it for. Now beside your standard protocals, here are some possible additions to add on to your standard clomid/nolvadex cycle in simple terms.
-HCG: at 500-1000ius a day for 10 days, will shock your testies back to life/ significantly raises testosterone by stimulating luetinizing hormone to be released/ your balls will swing again.
-Aromasin: aromatase inhibitor/ while blasting HCG, you'll need to maintain optimum estrogen levels. Estrogen will be very high at this point.
-Triptorelin aka GnRH peptide: would be great to take after your HCG blast/ Gonadotropin releasing hormone aka luetinizing releasing hormone has been used by doctors to bring test levels back to optimum after 10 years of cycling. The bodybuilders weren't responding to HCG and SERMs and Triptorelin did it alone. Very interesting peptide.
- Vitamin E: at doses if 600/1000ius, is shown to increase the absorbtion of your HCG peptide.
- Vitamin B12/B complex: to combat lethargy and help with appetite.
- D-aspartic acid/Tribulus: the more luetinizing hormone, the better/ Raises natty test by 60%. Better than nothing. I'd recommend using this as soon as you stop your SERMS.
- Pramipexol/ cabergoline: if a 19-nor was used, inhibiting prolactin could be the only obstacle holding you back from making a full recovery/ reduces prolactin gyno/ greatly improves erectile dysfunction lethargy (Must be SLOWELY tapered up and tapered off as well)
- IGF-Lr3: nolvadex, and well as many other factors during pct can lower your igf-1 levels. This would obviously make it difficult to maintain your gains. It may also be used in doses of 20-50mcg or more a day to maintain optimum igf levels while possibly continuing to produce new muscle fibers.
- GHRP-6 w/CJC no-dac: to keep you eating/ Growth hormone "pulse" along with deeper sleep. Or ghrp-6 alone to help keep you shuvling in your nutrients.
- Cialis/tadalafil: use as needed. has a 17 hour half life helping with erectile dysfunction/ Raises test levels while decreasing estrogen. But mainly to keep your women satisfied.
- Good old Creatine: to hold size and strength/ energy enhancer.
- Toremifene: a newer research SERM shown to increase LH 5x more than nolvadex. Nolvadex may also aggravate 19nors.
Now remember that most of these ideas that I've collected are just that. I believe them all to be beneficial, and if anything, they wouldn't hurt to try. The length in time you supplement theses will vary. Most of the products (except the vitamins) will need to be tapered up and down off of. It's all about the taper down. Clomid and nolvadex have been proven by many to work just fine with the 100/100/50/50-40/40/20/20 clomid/nolva ratio. Or even just one of the SERMs alone. But in case your having an extra hard time, remember theres more options out there to enhance your personal recovery. Remember that dosaging of supplements will be best determined your personal needs. Get your bloods checked and you'll know exactly what you need. I can refer you to a friend that can get these for $60. Best of luck to you guys and girls.
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"They found that only after Cialis and exercise did testosterone increase, however Cialis also increased cortisol levels. Cialis also lowered the DHEA to cortisol response. The study demonstrates that Cialis increases the “stress” response to the body, but also has some testosterone-enhancing effects as well. It’s interesting that a large dosage of caffeine, which is a weak, non-specific PDE inhibitor, also caused an increase in testosterone and also an increase in cortisol.21 So it seems that Cialis has both positive and negative effects on muscle. Cialis does not directly stimulate testosterone secretion per se, meaning it does not stimulate LH release or SHBG release directly. This is not the first study to find that Cialis raises testosterone:"
Which study is not the first? I'd only take it if I was lacking in the bedroom after coming off gear. I just threw together a list of other remedies that have been noted to be used in a pct
D-aspartic acid and tribulus aren't great either, but it wouldn't hurt to supplement after you drop the serms. Little steps back down to normal seems comfortable. Especially if you have to keep exercising eating and working a job all the same as before while on gear
I'll be taking everything except to Cialis research chem (tadalafil) unless needed. This will be for a 14-16 week cycle of test enth/tren enth/ superdrol cycle. But I have high hopes firthe peptides. IMO, Gonadotropin releasing hormone aka/ luetinizing releasing hormone, may have A LOT of potential.
Igf was iffy for me but that also has to do with the fact that two vials turned cloudy and couldn't be used. Cialis rocks so if it does raise lh and test then its extra awesome.
Are these facts correct? Where did you read these things? 2mg of igf1lr3 per day? Does cialis really raise LH?
It would also be at least 2000 micrograms of IGF-LR3 a day. Not 2mgs! One $60-$70 vial contains 1mg. And tadalafil research liquid (Cialis) raises LH 300%. I barely have karma points because I'm new here, but I know how to research and wouldn't write a topic unless It was backed with facts from multiple sources.
BilMcbigballsDude, just don't reply to him anymore. Look at all the other ppl that +1 you below and thought it was a great write up. He's already jacked up the thread. Your gonna run in to douche bags from time to time. Just brush em off.
Are you talking about me? All I did was ask where he got those stats from and question an incorrect dosage to try and save people from death lol
I mixed up the dosage for igf-lr3. NOBODY would spend $150 a day on that. Two vials in one day? Come on. You know there's better ways to correct someone, rather than being condescending about it.. It's fixed and you should be happy right? It's all about how you come at someone with a response. So let this be the end of the discussion. IGF-LR3 at 20-50micrograms a day to help counter the drop in your igf production during PCT.
Sorry you guys are so sensitive about my wording. Nothing is offensive about what I said at all. I asked you about the micrograms twice and you replied boh times with 2000. Not my fault.
Yeah I here you bro. I did mix up a few things. Should've wrote stuff down while doing my researching, but it's all edited now. I am happy to help though.
Am I missing something? 2000 micrograms equals 2mg. Do you mean 20mcg?
Yes, I wrote this up late last night on my iPhone. Would you satisfied if I edited it?
Yeah blackops79, I double checked all these supplements trough different sources. Most have not been used in pct though. The GnRH( gonadotropin releasing hormone) is a theory of mine to be taken after an HCG blast. It's also know as (Luetinizing releasing hormone). It was also my idea to supplement d aspartic acid/tribulus after SERMS. It's all about the slow taper down bro.
BilMcbigballsYour the one asking all the questions. Do your own research and find out. Sounds like ur questioning his thoughts and his good iformation he put out there. If u disagree, fine. Or if something is incorrect, politely say something. But cmon dude, he wrote a pretty informative piece and alls u can say is that crap? Geez.... eroids already has enough people like you.
Good read tman. +1
If you want to put information out there then at least make some reference on where it came from. We have enough bad info and advice circulating around. When you make comments about things like this you need references! I didn't say anything about his post negatively....just asked where the info came from. Thats what you do in medicine...
Awesome man. +1
Nice post here. I've been strongly considering GHRP-6 post cycle. One of my biggest challenges during pct is appetite, it's hard for me to eat consistently.
I LOVE GHRP-6! Munchies