+ 1 Need Some Advice from You Guys-Cycle Questions.
So I wanted to get the brotherhoods opinion on a few things. I just started my cycle on Thursday and I'm kicking with A-Bombs at 100mg ED for 4 weeks. My goal for this cycle is all out mass, and strength for the winter months(just like everyone else right now..lol). I'm running Tren-E @ 400mg/EW, Test-P@ 100mg/ED(then switching to long(er) estered Test-E when I drop the Drol after week 4), and Eq @600mg/ew for 18 weeks(front loaded at 1200mg). I'm certainly consuming enough quality calories, I've cut out the Hood Peanut Butter Cup ice cream completely and I'm stepping out for some Casein protein this afternoon. I've got Caber for the Tren, Stane AND Adex, and I'm dosing Proviron ED @25mg. So I guess my 2 main questions are: Should(or shouldn't) I up my Drol dose to 150mg ED up from the 100mg being consumed already? Will I see any difference in performance enhancement and size other than water retention? Is it worthwhile? Secondly is my idea of switching from Prop to E 4 weeks in considered acceptable or should it be done by ramping up dosing of the Enanthate now to allow the ester to begin working? I'm a TRT guy now so I dose T-Cyp EW @100mg per order of my urologist. If any of this look whacked out I'll apologize in advance but I feel like I'm set up fairly well and this cycle is sound. Thanks for looking and any tips, tricks, pointers, and constructive input is appreciated greatly. Peace and chicken grease my Nookas.
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BigBmaj150 A bomb is too much. This is my opinion and if you have low dosed shit or can tolerate a large dose it could work. I think it's excessive.
Why wouldn't you start with the test e and run the prop the first 4 weeks and continue on the test e after you drop the prop? Otherwise you are going to have a major drop in test levels at week 4 - 7. This is not ideal in anyway, this is when the real growth should be stacking on.
GearofWarThanks for the input. I was wondering about whether to run prop and E concurrently and asked that question elsewhere and got blasted for it. That's basically what I was looking to do my brother. Run the E AND Prop as a fast kick so when I drop the prop the E levels would be stable and the E would begin doing its thing.
Sorry if I'm reading this wrong bro, but it sounds like you've started the drol already, while you're still only running TRT doses. Is that the case? Personally as far as kickstart a go, I always use prop to get my test levels up while I'm waiting in the long esters to kick. Some guys say pick either an oral or use prop as a kicker, but I like both.
GearofWarYes indeed. I'm dosing 250mg T-Cyp EW as of right now(so slightly higher dose than TRT) while using the Drol. I wanted to use the Prop in addition to the Drol as you stated but like I told BigBmaj above I was apparently given bad info on the subject of running E and prop concurrently.
From the understanding I have as far as the oral kickstart goes. You take the oral to give you the quick gains while you wait for the long esters to kick in. My belief is (just a theory, no science to back it up), if you start the prop and oral at the same time as you start your long esters, the oral will give you quick gains while the prop gets your test levels up to start solidifying those quick gains. All while waiting for the long esters to kick in. I don't want to give any specific advice since I'm not TRT, but my understanding was you shouldn't introduce the oral until you start blasting the test. Maybe a TRT guy could weigh in in this.
so this is your cycle-
anadrol-@ 100- 150 mgs per day weeks 1-4
tren e- @ 400mgs per week for weeks ???
test prop-@100mgs per week for weeks 1-4
eq-@ 600mgs per week for weeks 1-18
proviron- @ 25mgs a day for weeks 1-18 ???
test e/c- weeks 4-18 @ ?? for weeks????
caber @ ???????
I cant understand it bro, 100 of drol is enough any more will be sides, especially mixed with tren you might lactate, the rest doesn't make sense to me, im predicting massive high blood pressure issues, and maybe even sterile abcess, a lot of pinning, a lot of oil, and a lot of compounds. good luck mate.
GearofWarThat's one of the questions I was asking my brother. I'm using the Drol as a kicker for 4 weeks at 100mg ED right now. I've never gone beyond the 100mg per day threshold on it and was asking if there would be any real reward if upping the dosage to 150 ED. I'm not running the Tren alongside the Drol either. I haven't started the Tren-E yet and didn't plan on it until I finished with the Drol. I'll be running the Tren-E for 10 weeks at 400mg per week. The reason I ask snout switching esters while on is simply because I've got a shit-ton of Prop to use and have heard from a few other sources that it shouldn't** hurt to switch esters if you frontload your Enanthate ester. I haven't started using either the Prop or E yet except for my TRT dosage of Cyp. The plan is:
Drol 100mg ED 4 weeks
EQ 600mg EW 18 weeks with a 1200mg frontload(Starting this when I start Tren-E)
Tren-E 10 weeks @ 400mg EW(starting this after 4 weeks when Drol is done)
Test-E 18 weeks @ 500mg maybe 600. I always feel better running lower Test doses with Tren but I'm looking to bulk not cut hence the use of 500-600mg(alongside 18 weeks Eq, 10 weeks Tren)
So yeah I suppose I got the answers I was looking for. Anadrol at 150mg ED is a waste, and NO-Don't switch from Prop to E after 4 weeks. Stick to the Test-E.
Additionally, If my Caber dosing schedule is relevant I use it at .25mg E3D and it has always kept prolactin at bay. This I know because I have other med issues that raise my prolactin levels. Levels that have been confirmed to be within ranges by BW, when using the dosing protocol I've mentioned. Even when using Tren-Ace at 75mg ED in the past.
I hope some of that info clears up any confusion. I appreciate the feedback from all of you guys. I can always learn something new as I continue to progress with AAS. Thanks fellas.
you can run the prop from the start, aslong as your running the test e in the background from the start- so you could do 1ml of test e with the prop ed or eod, then when dropping the prop, you up the dose of your test e, that way your not waiting for it to kick in, prop is a good kicker or taper, but you have drol for that anyway so its your choice. I would just make it simple and go like this-
test e -@ 600- weeks 1-18
anadrol-@ 100mgs a day weeks 1-4
eq-@ 600 weeks 1-16
tren-@ 400 weeks 6-16
caber-@ .25 e3d or adjust as needed
aromasin-@ 6.25 ed or adjust as needed
but to be honest if I were you I would pick either tren or eq not both, its almost like everything except the kitchen sink, I know your bulking so you want to run you test higher than your tren, I don't advise that, you will have high sides, not just for that reason, but because of the whole cycle in general, you really need to keep an extremely close eye on your blood pressure! I think you are going to have major trouble with it, you may also have chest pains and migranes, and even border line diabetic situations, watch your glycemic intake, you should also be running a lot of support supps, not only for your liver and kidneys, but you should cover all your bases, prostate, cardiovascular etc, for blood pressure hawthorn berry is good, but to be honest on a hardcore cycle like this you will probably need prescription meds to control it, I do not recommend this cycle. obviously your trt so wont need pct.
GearofWarThanks for looking out for me my brother. FR sent. I'd like to hit you up via PM for a few other questions. I do have HCTZ/Enalapril on hand for HBP which is prescription here in the USA. I will donate blood twice per Eq cycle too as I always have in the past. I currently use Himalaya liv52, fish oil, milk thistle, magnesium, zinc, D3, sublingual B12, L-Carnitine, glucosamine chondroitin for OTC supps. And btw, I'm glad that your lawyer got you a continuance. I've been reading your stories just haven't been commenting on them. Thanks again.
RustyhookerPolish has ya correct. I've only run tren a once but went with low test and for me....no sides. So if you switch p for e at week 4.....thats basically 4 Weeks til buildup. So you'll experience a test dip tgat may cause sexual issues. If you know your sweet spot with tren.....then match Esters.
Now.....if you match all long Esters it maybe possible to kickstart with low doses of tren/prop....BUT.....then you're gonna be a damn pincushion.
If it was me.....I'd run your long Esters, frontload eq OR use bold cyp, and be patient as the cycle ramps up. Patience gives more time to adjust diet, less sides, less pins, less oil. I'm kinda oldschool mentality of cycling. I'm happier gaining solid 12 than boosting 25 then have sides plus mass loss rapidly after cycle due to body not adjusted to new gains.
GearofWarI like to run low test when on Tren ace myself brother. I feel "good" when running it as such. Bit I'm worried that if I run low-dose Test alongside the Tren-E I'll accomplish more of a "cut" instead of a "bulk" effect correct? Even though I'm eating foods and calories aimed at bulking and tailoring my gym sessions for bulking exercises aren't those compounds inherently prone to "cut" more at those dosages? Pardon my ignorance. Thanks.
?Why are you switching up from the "P" to the "E" ? I would go with "C" Just asking ??