+ 1 Crashed...HARD..
I had low T (197) to start with before I tried a cycle of Test E at age 46. Cycle was great, had a full PCT which ended Sept14th. I thought maybe the PCT would hopefully kickstart my nattyT...but over the past 2 weeks I have crashed hard. I started with a new primary care doc and had labs drawn 3 days ago and I am awaiting the results. However I know my T is back in the gutter... body fat increasing, fatigue is constant, joints starting to hurt again, libido is non existent. I have to mentally struggle to get off the couch to do laundry..(so pathetic its almost funny). I go to work, come home, and veg..no energy to do anything.
So here is the question.. I don't see this new doctor to review my labs again for another 3 weeks, and even then he will certainly not prescribe me with TRT without more tests, possible referrals, etc.. Would a dose of Test prop here and there give me a helping hand or should I suck it up and wait the weeks/months to see more docs and have tests? I was hoping I could hit the prop a little bit just for a boost towards normalcy.
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ok guys.. trip back to the MD for a 6 week check in. He raised my dosage to 200 mg every two weeks. I asked him about just taking 100mg weekly to keep my levels more steady and his reply was interesting.
He says that the injections need to be every two weeks because weekly injections would cause a build up of toxicity in the liver because it takes more than a week for the liver to process the Testosterone.
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Your doctor is a moron and has no clue how TRT works. High single dosages is where a lot of your negative side effects come from. So by giving you one large dose versus 4 smaller ones he's actually doing more damage.
Thank U! Because that seemed like common sense. I'm keeping this guy though...when I asked to up my dose to 100 mg a week he said "sure I can prescribe up to 500 every 2 weeks if we need to.....haha. I'll just stay on top of my labs.
tell him you want to self inject. And then do biweekly injections. You can even go sub-q. You will be a lot happier. Get him to give you the hCG as well. It's important for your overall well-being. Supplemental DHEA and Pregnenolone.
He lets me self inject but I am MA and apparently they will only give me 1ML vials due to control substance laws...so the most I can get is two 1 ML vials a month. This will make me supplement with UGL stuff too.
Do you think I need the HCG? I guess I will research that. I thought that was primarily a fertility thing...I am also taking 25mg of Proviron ED.
The MD wants to do labs in 8 weeks
you should definitely take hCG because it mimics LH in the body which you have a deficiency of since you will be taking testosterone. You have LH receptors all over the body not just in the testes so it's important that they get stimulated as well. It will give you a much more rounded approach to your TRT. You should also supplement with DHEA and Pregnenolone to backfill some of those pathways that are disrupted by the testosterone.
with the cost of insurance and doctors visits and tests...its cheaper and easier for me to just self medicate
Whoops...this is my off week and I just slipped and landed on a pin of 150mg of Test E......
Just getting started and this is excellent info.
i'm right there with you brother. what i do is run some proviron and cialis to help with the libido issues, and i take adderall already, so that helps with the fatigue. i don't like playing with my natty numbers when blood work is in the works, so i take the above to help cope.
100mgs. a week is very low IMO.200 would be more like it for \Our purposes. One ml. of what you have in your drawer would definitely bring in more results.....
Its 100 mg every 2 weeks he gave me! Lammmee
for bodybuilding purposes you and everybody's mother knows its a lame dose, but being on a higher dose for the rest of your adult life can cause harm to your cholesterol levels and have cascading effects. That's just something to keep in mind I thought was worth mentioning.
Understood. I know I need to base this on how I feel rather than a number. I just thought 100 MG every two weeks would bounce my levels around if the cyp has a half life of 8 days.
If I stay with this dose I think I will break it into 50 mg weekly doses and see where. I end up.
Ok, here we have it....
Met with the MD to go over my Test results of 196
He prescribed me Test C however at 100mg every 2 weeks. He wants me to come back in 6 weeks to see how I feel. What do you think guys? boost myself to 150 a week for 3-4 weeks and back off before I see him? I know 100 every other week isn't going to do much for me.
any thoughts on this? I have a drawer full of Test E 300
the downside of using a primary care physician is that they sometimes go thru a bit of trial and error before getting your program outlined completely and doses figured out. and they generally want you to come into the office to get your shots. trt clinics on the other hand generally prescribe higher test doses, don't require but one physical and blood test per year, and they write you a script and send the shit to you. so no doctor fees for getting pins and no numerous blood tests to try to get your doses right. the downside is, insurance rarely pays for it and the initial cost is steep.
I'll tell ya... I don't know how much Test Cyp costs at a clinic but with my insurance it still cost me 12bucks for 1ml.i will give it. The six weeks and see if he ups my dosage.
I pay $310 for 10 ml of cyp, 20 x 1 MG adex tabs, and 7,000 iu hcg. That's 10 week supply.
beaver7651my 2cents, Iv been on trt for 2 yrs and was prescribed .175 mg a week, of course I said the hell with that and did 200 cause its just easier, (test cyp) , , Iv quit going to my doc for a number of reasons, mainly I know more about steroids than he does, but its cheaper to just self administer it yourself, I personally have been getting my own gear, and blasting and cruising, Ill cruise for 200mg week then blast up to 750 a week for a couple months then cruise again, so your always on it, and if your hrt, or trt, same thing, then your on it for life anyway, you don't need PCT , you just stay on it, and get bloodwork done couple times a year.
I have seriously been giving the self admin idea a lot of thought. I am going to see my MD on the 12th and see what he says before I decide. I am not very optimistic though because when I showed him my labs from last April with the test results of 197 his first words where " ya but that doesn't mean much because these numbers can really fluctuate".
However the labs he sent me for came back at 196. So let's see what he says. I am not going to screw around too long with docs. I have 15 bottles of Test E 300 in my drawer and they are hard to ignore when I feel this bad.
that right there tells you he's not a specialist and that trt is a grey area for him.
You're soooo right!
Thanks for your Honest input, I'm kinda inclined to self administer at 46. Appreciate the information!
Well thanks for all of the suggestions guys. My results just came in....As feared...Free Test is 7.3 ng.dl
And the total test was 196...
10 more days until my MD appointment. At least I can justify why I feel so crappy now.
QtripsMake sure you get your thyroid tested as well (free T3, Reverse T3, Free T4). If your thyroid isn't optimized and you go on T, you'll notice an improvement but nothing close to what it can be when your thyroid and testosterone are working together optimally.
I'm traveling down that road at the moment,....... and it is great advise
(Sadly,....my Dr will write me a cript for a 30 weeks supply of Test Cyp,........and ONLY a 30 day supply of thyroid meds. With me thyroid is a much bigger piece of the puzzle than Test.)
Well, I guess congratulations are in order...you're gonna qualify for TRT.
I know how you feel with shitty natural test levels. You are going to feel so much better after a few months of treatment. I am curious to see what dose your MD recommends. Please keep us updated.
Getting on TRT does not happen after one visit. It is going to take months. If you start messing around with testosterone on your own you're only going to complicate things for any doctor you want to work with and jeopardize your chances of getting on TRT.
I don't know about your PCT, so I cannot make a comment on that. You could always try doing a restart, but at your age you are TRT bound, sooner or later anyway.
TRT is a lifelong commitment, and if it is something that you feel comfortable with doing for the rest of your life it is better to go through the process with a doctor. That process can take up to 6 months. Whatever time period it is going to be, it will most definitely suck. If you decide to take matters into your own hands and eventually work with the doctor you will have to go through the same process later, you really cannot avoid it, as you have to do blood work have a schedule MRI , etc..
So to sum it up, you have basically 3 options. Try another restart. Do TRT on your own. Or do TRT with a doctor. Depending in which direction you want to go act accordingly. I hope this helps.
Well if your natty was that low before a cycle... all the PCT in the world ain't gonna help you now. Same age as you, go ahead and commit to MR TRT! And my situation is different, have been sterile since age 24, so having kids or normal sized nutz (or nut) is a non issue with me, regarding the HCG usage. Don't depend so much on the docs bro... most don't know shit... It wasn't until I took the reigns and started experimenting with different dosages, that I FINALLY felt good again... 200mgs of cyp every 2 weeks was bullshit ... I've finally found that 300mgs, split 2X a week is perfect ... may seem a little high, but thats what works for me! My T levels were low as well, like 167 ... am I a woman???? Not NOW BICHEZZZZZZZ!!!
please excuse my ignorance on trt. but in regards to cycles and pct im almost 45, started running aas at 42, ive ran hcg throughout all my cycle at 500iu's a week, i start using one heaped tea spoon a day of daa as a natty test booster the day after my last shot on into pct and continue to do so for 2 weeks after pct has finished i have run a few cycles including tren,eq and test and deca and have never had any problems in fact the daa actually deepens my voice.
i recommended it to friend who's mid 30's he found it helped him greatly.
ive never had any problems recovering.
You theoretically could use some prop but just wait on the doctor and get your results first. Don't want to risk affecting future bloodwork as you could get a script for HG test in the long run. It's dependant on you though bro..
I crashed Galore after my Deca cycle, and even after a full moth of PCT with Clomid/Nolva, I still felt like shit. After that month (Sept)I decided to start taking D-Aspartic Acid along with Bromocriptine to reduce any prolactin issues. That recovered me quite a bit and felt the difference at the end of that month(Oct.). After my DAA was done, I jumped to Clomid @50mgs. ED and This time around I felt the Boys come back along with my old self. 25 days into my second PCT, and plan on taking Clomid/ Nolva until I ran out.
I would call the doctor's office and have them e-mail you your blood results as soon as they come in. Waiting 3 weeks is BS. The doctors works for you and it's their job to get you feeling better. Call and let them know you are having a hard time functioning and your care should be their priority. As soon as your blood panel comes back the Dr. should make time to go over your labs. Call and pester them...they work for you.
you can also look into using testosterone suspension as it is in and out of your system very very quickly. That way you get the boost without the messed up blood reports, just stop a few days before the blood tests and my guess is you would be fine.
I would just sit back and wait. But still hit the gym.
Why will your doctor require more labs? Usually you can get TRT after one set of labs. Maybe it's time to look for a new doc or go to a TRT clinic.
Exactly. Given he/she knows what they are doing, they should start a protocol immediately. But expect getting to your proper maintenance levels might take some time, continued labs, visits etc.
And your doctor might have his idea of what your 'proper' levels are and you might have another.
My doctor is happy with 450 level total, whereas I like to see it at 650-700. Since I self administer, I usually win.
Your doctor is happy with 450 while administering TRT to you? That is pretty stingy. I thought mine was bad when he was satisfied at 600.
There are some extenuating factors. I just turned 50, and he is concerned about the potential for prostate enlargement.