Coleslaw's picture
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Honest opinion on this cycle for first ever

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Front load Test E @ 1000 mg first week
Weeks 2-8 Test E @ 500 mg
Wait 14 days after last injection and start tamoxifen at 100 and clomid at 40 for 2 weeks then tamoxifen at 50 and clomid for 20 last 2 weeks and done! I have arimadex for on cycle sides. I'm 37 210lbs 11-12% body fat been training 10 years never done gear before, I tried a cycle of test E at 500mg a month ago and stopped cold turkey due to itchy sore nips and got the AI and symptoms went away. Do you more experienced guys think this will cover all my bases? I don't want permanent shut down and have to live off TRT afterwards! My current blood work has test at 562.83 and estrogen at 50. Sorry for the novel just trying to give enough info to get some opinions, thx

ShreddedCheddar's picture

What kind of diet do you plan on going with? Have you actually tried to figure out your macronutrients required to obtain your goals! Do you have training regiment laid out that will compliment and your macro count? I'm going to assume by the statement you made that you've been blessed to eat whatever you want, that you are a "hard gainer"?

IrishMack's picture

coleslaw i gave bad advice, no frontload for your 1st cycle or 1 and a half since the 1st one was kind of hosed up. i misread your post a little so pay no attention to the little guy with the big mouth lol

Coleslaw's picture

Thanks everyone for the advice I really appreciate it. TED I only did 5 shots so basically 2 weeks and one day. The blood work was drawn yesterday and got the results today.last shot of scrapped cycle was Oct 17 blood drawn and read on Nov 13.
As for my goals I'm just wanting to gain and keep 10 lean pounds I have a low body fat any way so my diet is just eating around 250 grams protein daily and eating my fill on whatever else, I've been blessed with the ability to eat whatever and maintain a lean physique and it didn't seem to affect my lipids as my HDL's are the only thing out of range and only by 4 points on the low end. Again much thanks to all the help so far

TED's picture

Were the LH and FSH in normal range? Just trying to figure out if you're still shutdown before you start the new cycle. And the guys below have really laid things out cycle wise

Coleslaw's picture

I don't know honestly I haven't gotten the actual paperwork with all the stuff on it I just had my friend text me my total T and Estro and lipids until I can go pick up the results and get the rundown :/ I may not even do it again since this stuff has made me a worry wart I didn't take any pct after scrapping the cycle other than 7 days of tamoxifen at 20 mg daily and one .50 pop of arimadex then I stopped taking anything cold turkey. I don't feel shut down, my nuts are still the same size maybe a tad fuller, but definitely not smaller, libido is fine everything seems a ok but should I start taking anything or just cruise on through? I hit my Ai (arimadex) at .50 after I saw my estro today....

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

OK... here we go, you and grygst are right on the hot spot here .... should/should not............ start cycle yet due to not being fully recovered............ lets deal with this its the most important factor or our info could fuck him up.

Coleslaw's picture

Thank you, this forum is very helpful thanks to ALL of you. I think I might just abandon future plans on taking anything. What should I do now? I'm definitely gonna get my bloods done again at end of Dec just to see what's going on but in the meantime should I start taking the tamoxifen and clomid and arimadex?or just let everything get to homeostasis with nothing like I have been the last 3 weeks? I feel fine, no complaints...

Pale's picture

I don't think you should take anything right now. But we have not seen your FSH LH levels. I bet in a months time your estro will be in the normal range and you will be GTG. Like Ted said, don't let your botched cycle scare you off, learn from it and jump back on that horse.

TED's picture

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IrishMack's picture

Estro is definitely a tad bit on the high side. Pull some more pct then get back on the boat with 500mg or you can Frontload with some good old fashioned Prop for 3 weeks with the E. I believe you can load the prop @400-500 for 3 weeks before the E kicks in but let a Pro tell you that one as I might be on the low side or even high.

italian92101's picture

in my opinion for ure first cycle u shouldnt frontload, just do a 500mg test e or c, standard procedure and also would run test a little longer like 10-11 weeks and yes after last shot wait 2 weeks and if was u for pct i would us nolva 40/20/20/20 and clomid 10/50/50/50 and if u can get hcg for ure balls to drop totally cause clomid wont do that, hcg i would run at 4000iu a week for 3-4 weeks, regarding puffy nips i get that on tren and when i used to use deca, that problem beeng solved with caber 1mg a week, with test for slight gyno or puffy nips would use an aromatese inibhitor the best in my opinion is aromasin (exemestane) can use on cycle at 12.5migs EOD or E3D dipends on ure body.... let me know if u need more info (remember ure diet is very important eat clean, lots of protein and carbos, only then ull see results)

mwagner630's picture

best place to start is... what are your goals? your test level is decent for your age natty. its in the modearte region although your estrogen is a still a little high, should be under 40. this cycle is short for a long ester, i think even with front loading you should push it out another 4 weeks, a long ester cycle should be around 12 weeks typically minimum. your pct with nolva and clomid 100/100/50/50 and 40/40/20/20 nolva, but to give you the best information your goals is the best place to start. AI should either be aromasin or anastrozole. the information i just gave you is based on your post, but as i said pop your goals in there and we can all give you better strategy for cycle and diet.

Coleslaw's picture

Thanks for responding my goals are to just gain 10 lbs and keep it after all is said and done and not have ED or lifelong TRT afterwards. I'm scared of this stuff to be honest....

SexWeightsProteinShakes's picture

don't be scared just be informed...i think my brain has grown since i joined this site lol

Pale's picture

Your Estro still seems high bro from your last cycle. I am sure others will chime in but you may be wise to wait until that comes back down before resuming a new cycle.

I am only on my second cycle myself, but truthfully brother you don't need to front load. That first cycle at 500 per week is pure magic without a front load. Instead of starting the PCT drugs 14 days after last injection I think you will end up wanting to go with a prop taper at 100mg EOD for 3 weeks (maybe 4) and then 3 days later start PCT. I noticed you are only looking at 8 weeks, bump that to 12 bro, you really hit your groove after 9 or 10 weeks. You wouldn't want to miss that on your first cycle.

You also haven't mentioned your diet plan. That is probably the #1 mistake most of us noobs make. You need to eat and eat like a monster.

TED's picture

My first question would be before you start how long did you run that test cycle a month ago? And are those bloods you posted from before or after the cycle you scrapped?

Coleslaw's picture

I'm new to this forum thing hope I'm replying in the right place, my last shot was Oct 17 my blood was drawn and read on Nov12-13. Bloods are after the scrapped cycle

TED's picture

alright brotha...do you have the test results or did your doctor just read them out to you? if you got them from the doctor id call back and ask if LH and FSH are in normal range. if theyre normal that means youve recovered and we can start helping you build your cycle. if theyre still suppressed then itd be best to run a PCT which we would need to lay out for you because the dosages of your above PCT are incorrect

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Perfect question........... and the result from your question will lead us to a decision if he needs longer PCT or a green light to have a shot at a test only cycle without a frontload.

TED's picture

Shot you a pm btw. No rush

Coleslaw's picture

I don't see the PM...I've got a friend doing my bloods so it's not on her print out so she is gonna see if she can draw it for me on Fri. But I'm wondering if feeling fine is a good sign, like I say good libido, no ED feel like myself and no nut shrinkage I hit my AI just to maybe get that estro down a little more..

TED's picture

sorry bro meant i was sending viking a PM. but i know you may be feeling good to go but you never truly know until you see the scientific results. and yea definitely try and get her to do that for you friday. its the only way we can truly make a decision as to what route to take

Coleslaw's picture

Good news! The lab keeps my blood for 3 days so she can call and have it ran if they have enough still, if not I'll get it re drawn. I didn't have enough fore sight to know I needed those tests so I'm fortunate to have easy access to blood work, and fortunate to have you guys helping me out. Thank you so much! As soon as I get those numbers I'll post em up and let y'all get me headed in the right direction PCT wise.
Will everything go back to normal if I take nothing? If so what kind of time does it take?

Coleslaw's picture

Ok let me see if I can get a call back on those today, thanks a TON

TED's picture

dont let one botched cycle scare you away. when ran right especially at your age a test cycle can do wonders. and as soon as you have those values let us know where they are at and we will be able to help you with which route to take. well be here to help whenever you get them

Coleslaw's picture

Thank u so much man!