posted Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:43
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PCT over and still no libido.
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Hey, I had run a cycle of test cyp dosed at 500mg for 10 weeks with 0.5mg Armoisin EOD.
2 weeks after last shot i began a pct of Nolvadex dosed 40/40/20/20 and Clomid dosed 100/100/50/50.
Through out the PCT my libido was very CRUSHED. It's been a few days after PCT and i literally have no sex drive, am very worried it's also taking me longer to recover from my typical work outs and my ejaculate volume is weak :/, i have noticed. Does this mean I havn't fully recovered yet? or has anybody every experienced this before?
wondering what to do, run nolva and clomid again? could do with some advice chaps.
Thanks.
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to be honest man I don't think two weeks is anywhere near long enough to wait for PCT. When I ran my cycle I waited exactly three weeks and four days. Why? because two weeks represents a half-life, not when the drug clears your system. I'm gunna post a calculator I just found that I think is helpful.
Just select what gear you're using type in your dosing protocol and frequency, and it calculates when to start your PCT.
http://pct.befit4free.net/index.php
When I ran my test cycle and typed in all the correct parameters, I found it to be really close to exactly what I did, and I know I recovered well.
i see this often, I call it PCT blues, it can take time some additional time to recover, but you also may be recovered and your body just hasnt adjusted to the normal "lower" natural levels of your own hormones. so you feel as if you havent recovered when in fact you are. blood work is the only way to know for sure. you also may not have recovered completely and this would account for the way you feel, but again i would lean toward you are recovered if your PCT compounds are legit and now youre just not used to lower natural levels versus the high levels while on cycle just yet.
me personally take a while around 2-4 weeks after pct to really start recovering it seems like where everything returns to normal. did u try running hcg during pct i know some say all the way through their cycle but from what ive researched i am only doing it during pct because your already putting enough testosterone in your body and it it ads more estrogen that i have to control which im prone to mine already being high so its easier to control in pct when i know its gunna become high and control it then. this is my opinion ask some other vets what they say. also take a look at muta's pct he has on his cycle that he posted on his account thats how im kinda doing mine.
???why would you use HCG during PCT????!!!!!????? never do that again. HCG is a steroid in itself as it mimics luteinizing hormone. The goal is to jumpstart your body's own LH levels and subsequently testosterone levels. Additionally it does in fact raise your estrogen levels since the extra test aramotizes. This does nothing except further shut you down. The goal of HCG is to keep your leydig cells healthy and receptive to luteinizing hormone so when you do start PCT, they can get back on track. I hate to be blunt but using HCG in your PCT is fucking you up.
what research do u have to back this up cause in this cause i can find 5 vets including high ranked sources who use a regimen were that say using hcg in pct is the only way to go. im not say your wrong i just wanna see some facts brother other than your opinion? now this one article that states my case show me some i loved to read them that prove me wrong.
http://www.steroid.com/HCG.php
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/muta-cycle-still-...
now this member is banned now for other reasons but since I've been here he was very knowledgeable about his drugs pertaining to bodybuilding. he has hcg being used on both during and pct.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/hcg-what-is-it...
I'm finding so much on this it's hard to sort through what I should post for you. When you take testosterone, your bodies test shuts down, right? when you take HGH your bodies own production of it shuts down, right? When you take thyroid hormones your body's own production shuts down, right? I think you get my point. HCG mimics luteinizing hormone which is what stimulates your leydig cells to produce testosterone. Of course it shuts you down, the purpose of HCG isn't to get you running again, the purpose is to prevent shrinkage of your testes since this damages your leydig cells. Why is it important to prevent this? As you use clomid and nolv and an AI for PCT and to kickstart your body's own luteinizing Hormone/Follicle Stimulating Hormone (etc. etc.) you want your leydig cells to be healthy and responsive to the luteinizing hormone your body is now producing on its own. Contrarily it is important not to use too much HCG so as to prevent downregulating the leydig cells. The protocol I've seen and used myself is to use HCG when testes begin to atrophy as well although way up to pct to essentially "prep" the testes for the PCT protocol. Let me know if these posts don't suffice, I can always do a little deeper digging brother.
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/archive/index.php/t-630372.html
http://bodybuilding.elitefitness.com/hcg-human-chorionic-gonadotropin-us...
http://peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=881.0
well brother keep digging cause the first article does encourage hcg during pct and the 3rd article is just a forum debating dosages on using hcg not when to use it. also im 25 years old and not saying i know everything on bodybuilding drugs but you at 21 years old cant know everything about these drugs when at your age you shouldnt even be using them when from your picks you havnt even obtain your maximum size naturally let alone using AAS.
You may have overlooked this in the first article : "HCG is suggested by many on Steroid forums to be incorporated into PCT or used on cycle to retain/regain testicular function. But because testosterone production is stimulated artificially by use of a mimicking agent (HCG), natural testosterone is further suppressed via LH..." This isn't bona fide proof, but it's echoing exactly what I'm saying.
I will keep digging although all of those articles agree with what I'm saying. Doesn't what I'm saying make sense to you though? Administering exogenous hormones in to your system always shuts down your natural production of that hormone. HCG mimics luteinizing hormone, and the goal of PCT is to get your body to create its own luteinizing hormone. Now, bridging into PCT, you can use HCG while the esters of whatever it is you're taking are still active. HCG is a steroid and will shut your own production of LH down.
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there has been a slight shift among newer users based on some studies. the studies suggest that the only reasonable time for HCG use is for PCT kick start and for TRT/HRT users. I have seen one study that correlated a relation to HCG and gyno but it was so vague in its determination that you could be dismissive. so his over all point i do agree with, but to a degree, i think the only place for AAS users who arent on TRT who choose to run HCG should only be running it as a PCT kick start.
who would use HCG during PCT? HCG is luteinizing hormone, of course it inhibits it!!! I will most definitely find information regarding this, you and a lot of other people don't need to be fucking themselves up over misinformation. I'm not being defensive I'm just upset misinformation can be that widespread to where "vets" are even encouraging harmful practices.
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get some blood done
I shall do, but will take a while, was just curious as to why i still have sings of low test.