+ 1 Help and Advice with 3rd Cycle
Okay so i want to start planning my third cycle. Here is some info and history..
First cycle: 8 weeks Test e @ 600mg per week.
Second cycle: 16 weeks Sust/Deca (stopped deca at 14 weeks) ran 6 week pct
I'm currently only about 10 weeks of my second cycle (sust/deca). Basically i finished my cycle.. waited 4 weeks, did 6 weeks PCT, and now im currently bridging with Ostarine.. Ill run ostarine for 12 weeks total. And from what i've read i should wait the amount of time i was on... before i start another cycle.. So does this mean i must wait 16 weeks after pct? or before pct?
Okay so for my 3rd cycle.. Should i run any Tren? or is it too early? (stats in profile) I'm currently running 5UI Hygetropin ED... My body is looking good.. Ill be running the hgh for another 8 months or so.. So i think adding test/tren to this will get some good gains..
Who thinks Tren is overdoing it at this stage? Maybe i should run Test prop at like 800mg per week?
Thanks
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I've been advised to run the following.. From someone who really knows there stuff.. Although I need other peoples opinions as I'm trying to put together a really effective cycle since I'm running HGH.
1-10 test prop 100 mg eod
1-10 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-12 gw-501516 20 mg day
1-10 s4 50 mg day
My only concern is 100mg EOD of test prop? Is that really enough?
If you have quality Hyges, it's gonna make everything come together for you - it'll strip fat off you like nothing else will and you absolutely do not need to wrestle around with Tren. I also don't advocate that folks starting out run out and spend thousands of dollars on GH either. If you can afford such a luxury, I'm not gonna say stop either. Great physiques were built long before we even knew anything about it. You also don't need any more than 4 IUs per day. Shy away from the idea that you have to crank the Test too. More doesn't mean better results. It just means more. Please don't let any morons in the gym talk you into crap like Superdrol or Tren at this point. Listen to the advice you get here. If someone here with and ADV, EXP, PRO, MOD or some other high level tag tells you to stop the GH, then I would listen to them as well.
All good solid advice here, +2
I appreciate the reply. Thanks.
Yeah I have original hygene. From a good source so it's definitely good. I can already see a dramatic change in my body.. I didn't have abs before.. Now I do.
Okay I'm pretty sure I'll go with test only.. Could you review the cycle I posted at the bottom of this thread. (In reply to another user)
The only concern I have is the idea of conditioning your body to 800 mg of Test too early on. And, at 90 kg - you're not that heavy bro at 5' 11". (198 lbs). That's like one pin shy of running a gram per week. You could repeat the 600 mg / wk. Was that not working for you? It's not part of the program to think you have to up the dose on every cycle. You don't. Think about it - so the next Test cycle you want to be up to a gram of gear already? Overkill.
Yeah you are right. I ran 600mg on my first cycle of test e.. I had some very very good results. Okay so here is what I'm thinking, one of the following.
Test P: 300/300/300/300
Test C: 300/300/300/300/600/600/600/600/600/600
And whilst waiting for PCT... Test P: 10-14 600mg (taper down as PCT gets nearer)
Would that be okay? Or is it not a good idea to run something all the way up till PCT? But test prop clears in a few days right?
As for cycle length is 10 weeks sufficient? My first cycle was 8 weeks, and I had good gains so I think 10 would be perfect.
Also what's your views on running a SARM (like ostarine) after every cycle for pct and a bridge? For like 8 weeks total
No to the tren! Props to Med once again for the great info and willingness to help, thats why eroids is such a great place. If your dead set on running another cycle in the near future I wouldnt add a lot more compounds and definitely not Tren. Take this off time to fine tune your diet and get it locked in for the third cycle and I think you'll be amazed at the gains youll get from not using more compounds. IMO, there is a very select group that has the adequate knowledge to run tren and cycles with multiple compounds. Keep the cycles simple when you're a beginner, especially if you're young, theres no hurry. Im sure some of the older experienced members will vouch here. Also, you first cycles are EXCELLENT opportunities to learn about your body and how it reacts to certain compounds. Thus, throwing in a bunch every time isnt going to make this process easier. This leads me to my next point Med already hit on, make sure to get BLOODS!! Thats the best way to see what the hell your body is up to, it also allows you to do away with lots of bro science. Hope this helps!
Yeah i was thinking this, so thanks for the advice. I guess ill stick to simple cycles for now... I wold never touch sust and deca again... deca is too much hassle for the gains, I mean my first test-e cycle was better then the sust/deca personally for me anyway.
My diet is pretty good right now, Trying to add more calories without making myself sick, but im slowly upping them.
FR sent, I want to hear more details about the sust/deca cycle you ran.
I had some good gains, but I mean I think too many issues come along with deca... I think I made the mistake of not running hCG, as I've never ran it before.. Actually I blasted some before pct on my last cycle. But I should be running hcg throughout a cycle right?
The dust deca cycle was 16 weeks. Sust 600mg Deca 300mg. Stopped deca at week 14. I quit my AI early (I know crazy right) then I had some lumps appear in my nipples (gyno) I had Leto on hand but didn't run... As when I started the adex again the lumps cleared.
Thanks
Running hcg throughout a cycle depends on the cycle. It's not a universal rule to run it on every cycle, some cycles it would be overkill and IMO not worth the money (test only and other beginner cycles).
Good point!
Also, did you, or can you, get blood work that would reflect your LH/FSH and estrogen? FR sent.
Have you gotten labs again, yet? What dopamine agonist did you run? If you have recovered, technically you could start, but lets see what everybody else suggests. It isn't bad to wait and just eat, eat, eat!!!
I would hold off on the trenbolone, right now. I don't think it is overdoing it, I just don't think your body needs it, yet. If you do decide, I would dose very low. Stay on the HGH, though. TP at 800 per week, like the last four weeks, isn't a bad option, I think it would be better than trenbolone, though.
Good going on the labs. And, I saw your stats. You are a little young, but at least you are here on EROIDS.
I got labs after i finished my cycle.. (before pct) i will get full blood work done again in a few weeks.. As you say to make sure im recovered before beginning next cycle. I posted my last bloods in the logs section.
Great thanks for the advice, I was running Armidex throughout cycle, and still running like .5mg E5D as im still on ostarine and gyno symtoms came up on cycle.
So how long should i run my next cycle for? Test prop at 800mg Per week, for like 10 weeks?
Definitely staying on hgh, ill post some recent pics soon, but my body as changed so much from the osta and hgh... Looking even better after pct.
Research the cycles where TE/TC are used for a base and the TP is used for kickstarting, or finishing. In my opinion, it wouldnt be too bad for you to use one compound like TE/TC and utilize the Anabolic Threshold Theory for desired results. In fact, between that theory, diet and cardio your cycle will still be an awesome success. Always make sure you get blood work, PCT, and appropriate ancillaries needed for your cycle.
Thank you.
So how would this look for my next cycle.
Test Prop: 500/500/500/500
Test C: 300/300/300/300/800/800/800/800/800/800
Then finish right upto PCT with test prop after the 10th week of test c. ( stop few days before pct)
Armidex/Aromasin throughout.. (Adex like .5mg E3D)
PCT Nolva and Clomid 4-6 weeks.