posted Sun, 10/20/2013 - 16:40
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5 Weeks in hasnt used AI, doesnt know if its needed, Help!
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Alright guys, this post is for a friend as I am not on cycle.
Buddy just started cycle 5 weeks ago (12 week Test E only 500mg/week), hasnt taken an AI yet untill today (.25mg Adex). He says he isnt sure if he needs to take it because he has no bloods, says he has no estro signs either besides his nipples getting a little sensitive just now. I know the more we can get away with using an AI the better, I just want to make sure its not completely insane for him to take little to no AI. Should I tell him to stick with .25mg adex E3D? Sorry I dont have more info guys, this isnt me on the cycle.
he's 24 y/o first cycle, 6,2" 195lbs. I would guess 16-18% BF.
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Thanks guys, i could be wrong, but I think the most logical thing here is for him to get bloods that way he knows how is body reacts to test alone and can make adjustments with AI dosing and find out what works. I did start him low (.25mg E3D) starting yesterday, if hes already got sensitive nipples, maybe I should bump that to .5mg EOD if it doesnt go away? And then when he gets bloods at the end of this week or beginning of next (will be 5.5 weeks in) he'll have a good judge of where he stands?
RustyhookerKeep it at .25e3d and get bloods asap. Then adjust by medical proof and not his "feelings" necessarily.
done. can always count on the hooker ;)
RustyhookerAlways on the corner....lol
If his nipples are getting sensitive then he needs an AI
Yeah it's an answer that varies from person to person. Some start their AI on day one, some wait til week 3, and some don't use it at all and do just fine.
Everyone is different and starting with an AI on day one just makes sense to me. I aromatize a lot and with a good stiff Test base going along with some nice aromatizing compounds - it takes 2.5 mg of Letro ED to keep my E2 in check. Letrozole is one of the strongest AI's out there and for many people the dose I use would crash their estrogen levels completely. For me, E2 will run around 130 (very high) on cycle. I'm not prone to estrogen sides, so it's no biggy for me to let E2 hang out there. But, you're not gonna know anything without Labs. Labs. Labs!
I would advise upping the AI slightly more than that. Something like .25 EOD or even .5 EOD. Its hard to say how estrogen sensitive your friend is without bloods. Does your friend plan on getting blood work done? Pct?
I just talked him into it, so hopefully this week he'll get them done.
And PCT is g2g I have it planned out for him.
Totally curious, I have my first cycle planned out, done plenty of research and has approval from many members here (basic test only). However I will not be starting it for 6 months. But how can you guys pinpoint when you need to start taking the AI? I have mine planned to start taking the start of the 3rd week at .25mg E2D. But usually you dont get bloods till week 6. And if I dont feel any sides, should I take it anyway? I know using as little AI as possible is beneficial.
Glad my buddy is going through this first..
Suggestions?
Personally, I use an AI day one. I don't like to deal with high estrogen. I rather have crashed estrogen than sky high. Just cause you have no signs of high estrogen doesn't me it isn't high. For instance, have a bro that I feel like I'm his mom. Have to ride him bout taking his AI. Paid for his blood work cause I was curious and he had an estradiol level close to 90. High range of normal is 48. He had no signs of high estrogen. Was he acting like a little bitch and getting emotional? Yeah but he's always been a bitch lol
I'm the same way with this guy. Awesome, I'll keep him at the current dose untill I see where his bloods are and make adjustments from there. I'll post what his numbers are.
Thanks guys
Yes, you definitely don't want to tank your estrogen because that will hinder gains, but you don't want to end up with a pair of DD titties. Everyone is different. I've known guys that have ran a gram of test with no AI and no problems (I DO NOT ADVISE THIS!). For me personally. I haven't used adex, but I usually start my AI on week 2 for long esters. That's just what works for me. Then I get bloods about week 5 or so to make sure my estro is where I want it. You just have to figure out the dose that works for you. Everyone responds differently. .25 EOD sounds like a good start to me. You'll know for sure once you get your bloods done. Good luck with your cycle!