Absolutely great post. I've heard kiddos in there 20's running tren WITHOUGHT test, WITHOUGHT caber/bromo and used an OTC pct from a supplement store... like the level of fuck-uppery was insane.

I like how you mentioned how the brain isn't fully developed, this is important too.

even when your 25 and older, have your life in order dont want to have kids etc. you shouldnt use it until you advanced in bodybuilding. the anabolic androgenic ratio sounds promising, but doesn't have that much to do with real life results. some people gain amazing with tren. i did not. strength gains were great, but i guess i would have gained way better with deca. tren has amazing cortisol suppressing properties. great for cutting, but i guess you get way more out of it, when your way above your natural potential. the body wants to establish homeostasis. the bigger you are, the harder the body wants you to shrink. i guess the more muscle you have, the better tren will shine. the better will it be in a stack.
another point is protein degration vs protein turnover. to me, it makes sense, that you cannont have both. either both is decreased, or both is increased. i think tren might actually decrease it, thats why its so awesome for holding muscle mass even on very low cal diets. this also makes it harder to gain though. the cattle implants now a days also carry estradiol, because the cows do not put on enough mass on tren alone.
but for beginner-mass, the oldschool test deca dbol (aswell as other anabolics like eq, oxy and on) are probably more effective. there are plenty of logs from guys at 160 lbs trying to get big on high tren and end up with a good recomp. nothing wrong with that, but net muscle gain would have been better on other compunds, im sure. of course diet is important, tren makes it more forgiving when cutting, but makes it harder to gain.
of course there are always exceptions.

I agree....and if you want to get on something start modestly with low dose and light compounds.

Anyone that doesn't have health and safety as a top priority w/r/t to anabolics is asking for trouble, agreed. What I don't understand is the overwhelming focus on so many forums and boards about the "perils of tren." It makes me wonder if the perils of tren folk have even used the stuff. I've used it for years both for bulking and cutting and it is without a doubt one of my favorite chemicals. Unfortunately, many labs make crappy tren and the worse the quality - the worse the sides. Tren Enanthate is a "slightly" yellow powder if it is pure and in solution with a non-exotic carrier oil produces a slightly golden color solution if the manufacturing process is pharma quality and the tren is not oxidized in production. Tren A properly made is slightly more golden in color.

The dark wine color crap that I've seen floating around in the last 15 years - I wouldn't inject that into my livestock if I were a rancher - not withstanding inject it into my own body!!!

I have run tren as long as 16 weeks as high as 600 mg/wk. Liver enzymes slightly elevated. T3 always depressed (for me) on Tren so I need to supplement with T3 otherwise it's hard to get out of bed in the morning. And, I always run Test higher than Tren on any cycle. Strength and mass gains have been miraculous on a bulking cycle and I can't think of any better compound to hold on to muscle during a cut than Tren.

I agree with most people that beginners can get great results without throwing Tren into the stack, but honestly I would talk to newbies about the "perils of oral steroids" before the Tren lecture.

Good post... +1. We used to get those plastic cartridges in the mail back in the middle 90s. Tren pellets are weird!!

Moved go steroids section

Good read. FYI finaplix pellets are not eaten they implanted under the skin in the middle of the ear with a special cartrige gun with about 10 gauge needle for terminal beef cattle only. You never give growth promoters to replacement hefiers

Thank you for posting this. Whether of not people agree with what you said (I sure do), everyone should have the opportinity to hear the downside of steroid use. This is a great site where people can really learn about gear and everything that goes with it. What people choose to do with that knowledge is up to them. I hope that people, especially younger members, will listen and heed your message. Again, great post! Thanks.

Shouldn't this be with the anabolic steroid section??

There's not anyone under a 9 karma here-guess the message got thru!!

And most of those in that age group who aren't screwing themselves up with tren are screwing themselves up with .....(you fill in the blank).

Nobody's perfect, but with a bit of good knowledge and patience hormones can still be used safely for those who are 20+. Tren use early in cycle history isn't patient or responsible tho. If there's other ways to make gains then why go so hard? Just looking at both sides over here....

You do make a valid point here I do agree. Just think of the people who take tren without enough income to support their pct. We are/were young and dumb. It was used on cattle before they slaughter it, to be beef it up and make more money on the product. So now, we take the tren and eat the cattle to become strong like bull. Jk bro, but good post wish I would have read it 6 years ago.

Here's a few common side effects that I've encountered with young users.

-mental immaturity
-physical peaks(not a good thing)
-diabetes(young slin users trying to get "massive")

You have young guys running large amounts of tren constantly, and using slin. Look at their pics and tell me if your impressed. I personally am not. Do I have room to talk about my physique? Fuuuuck no lol but I'm not impatient...I'm fascinated with steroids and the chemistry that goes on within ourselves.But that doesn't mean I'm ready for 1g of tren and slin. Lol glad you see the bigger picture here.

It's a marathon, not a race.

the real problem is hardly anyone thinks about where they are gonna be in 10-20-30 years ESPECIALLY when they are young and feel bulletproof. there is probably a large volume of members on here now that didnt think they would live past a certain age, me included. so you could preach this over and over it just dont sink in until many years down the road when its already a reality. but +3 for trying.

p.s

if anyone knows me, they should know that i love being a lab rat. i love trying new shit and now im experimenting with lgd-4033 . says to start at 1mg per day. fuck it im starting at 2mg. what will happen? i dont know. only one way to find out. thats how we humans advance through time. trial and error

Im working out my next 4-5 cycles.. each one is 4 months... take your time.. have patience..

can you tell me about all the impact that can happen because we as humans eat tons of processed stuff and have no fucking clue whats in it? the point im trying to make is this. IF you have a few cycles under your belt, you wont die, trying tren out wont kill you either. people experiment with all sorts of different things. whats to say that heroin is any more dangerous than tren? there are risks with "everything". if "he" is hell bent on doing tren for a first cycle, i welcome it. same thing with "what will happen if i put my finger in the electrical socket?" go and find out and tell me what your experience was. sure as shit wont happen again. so with that, everyone deserves a shot.

Don't want to understate risks associated with Tren but there 2 wrong facts in OP.
1) Tren was approved for human use. It was called Parabolan produced by Negma.
2) Tren is not any harder on kidney than any other steroid. Kidney damage caused by Tren is bro-sceince based on changes in urine color after tren administration.

Other than that good read