posted Thu, 08/15/2013 - 15:26
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PCT After coming off 16 week sust / deca cycle
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Okay so Ive just finished my sust and deca cycle.
How long should I wait till I begin PCT? 20 days?
Also I've been told not to use nolva if you had deca in your cycle, as it can trigger something(can get you the details if your curious)
I have clomid, nolva, ostarine, hcg on hand. How and what should I use and dose?
I want to blast some hcg during pct as I didn't use throughout cycle, but others have said its it a good idea.
I'll be running ostrarine at 25mg ED thought pct, I'm then gona use it to bridge for 8 weeks after pct, then rest for 8 weeks before I start a new cycle.
Any help is greatly appreciated
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BLOOD WORK: http://www.eroids.com/pics/pre-pct-bloods-comments-please
Anon..
Anonhttp://www.steroid.com/Deca-Durabolin.php
Deca has a long as half life after one shot its take more than 30 days for it to go away if u did 16weeks dawg u got months to wait at least 2months
Thats why ima do NPP this cycle
So i should keep pinning Sust in that time?
AnonNo ur making it worst Sust has Deca too just pin testE
You are correct. However , these guys are right also. Only because we call Nandrolone Decanoate Deca! Sustanon does have the decanoate ester but it is very uncommon to use that reference. There's a sticky with all of the AAS underground slang terms. You should check it out. I have you Your points back and hope I cleared this up for you.
AnonThanx Nitti u kool as fuck
I will look that up
AnonSustanon does not have deca in it ! Deca is a nandrolone decanoate . Sustanon is a blend of testosterones with different esters, one being testosterone decanoate .
When speaking about deca, its just a common nickname, dont get confused that decanoate is just an ester.
Just an update on bloods, I had to fill 3 tubes by finger pricking... that took some time.. They were posted to the lab today... Cant wait to see prolactin results.
Post them labs
Blood work: http://www.eroids.com/pics/pre-pct-bloods-comments-please
AnonDuh test decanate the word Deca is the ester name test deca has the same long half life as nandrolone decanote. U guys anwsered ur own question
lol thats not a very good attempt to cover up a silly mistake like calling the wrong thing deca. you were trying to say he was still taking deca in the sust and he isnt. everyone makes mistakes its okay, just try not to act like you meant something else when in fact you had it wrong. my man does this and it annoys the hell out of me.
you thought test decanoate was deca because of the ester name, i thought the same thing at one time
AnonBro i kno the diff between nandrolone and test decanate i was clearly talking bout ester half life n cuz of that i got -2 karmas wtf lol w.e. i aint sweatin it . I mentioned 100x ima med student ive studied all this before its all good
im not a "BRO" i am a lady.
lol dont look bad either :-)
AnonSis my bad i didnt even look at your pik my bad please dont feel offended.
HUH???
sustanon is typically a mix of 4 testosterone esters, some ugl labs may have more than 4 esters of test but typically its 4 esters of testosterone. propionate, phenylpropionate, isocaproate, and decanoate. sustanon has testosterone decanoate in it. not nandrolone decanoate which is commonly refered to as deca. HUGE difference. test decanoate is not a 19-nor just a test ester blend
AnonU just anwsered ur own question sustanon has test decanate so do u undertand what i said now? If he pins sust he is just going to prolong his recovery even longer due to the extreamly long eter halflife Decanate has.
But clearly that isn't what the OP meant when he said Deca. I'm a little surprised you thought that's what he meant. Misunderstanding. No harm no foul
Thanks for clearing that up as he had my confused for a second.
He threw me off there when I read his post at first. I skimmed it and was like "what?" Reread it and than posted my reply to clear it up. You're welcome!
What are your cycle dosages? Do you have a dopamine agonist? Minimum therapeutic dose of hCG is 250-500 iu per day. You may need to double or triple that dose and run it every five days. I don't know if this is right, but there is a hCG protocol for the time between the last injection and when PCT starts. The protocol dosages are 4500 iu (1500 iu x 3), then 3000 iu (1000 iu x 3), then 1500 iu (500 iu x 3). Toremifene, as suggested below, is ideal for PCT, if your cycle consisted of a nandrolone decanoate. Clomid (100/100/100/50/50/50 ) and Toremifene (120/120/90/90/60/30) can be dosed like this. Furthermore, is your rest time 16 weeks? It should be cycle time plus PCT, get labs 6 weeks after PCT then start your cycle.
I was using 500mg sust per week, and 300mg deca.
I upped the sust to 700mg the final 2 weeks cause i wanted to use it all, then developed GYNO.
Still debating if i should run HCG now because of gyno, got some good guys helping me in my other thread, hopefully it gets resolved asap as time is ticking.
currently on adex 1mg ED, when my letro and caber arrives should i switch right to it? defently prolactin is elevated, as liquid is coming from my nipples (holy shit) if i sqeeze it not so hard. I have blood test in the mail... will post ASAP.
Ill grab some toremifene and run as suggested, Im going to be running ostarine 20mg ED throughout PCT and 8 weeks after pct as a bridge. Also starting a 8 month HGH cycle very soon, just want to get this cleared up first, i know hgh can help with pct etc.
Thanks
AnonGet on that HCG now and stop it when you start pct . 20 days seems long to me, but then again the combo of sustanon and deca seems wrong to me too. Anyhow I know the deca takes a while to clear but Id still get going on that pct 14-16 days after. Id even suggest you take one more final shot of your sust by its self.
Which AI were you using while on cycle ?
nolva has been linked to some sides with deca, estro and prolactin issues. although there isnt any real supporting evidence for this, its common knowledge in the aas community to not use nolva with nor19, drop it and get yourself some toremifene instead. you arent on trt, so you dont need the hcg on cycle. if you MUST run the hcg start it at the end of the cycle to get the testes warmed up and ready for pct. so id figure out how much hcg you got so you can run it till pct starts but only as a pct warm up.
AnonIt's almost like we share a brain! It's almost scary dude:/
Deca cycle pct is tricky. It ain't like any other kind of pct. Test prop has to be part of the equation.
16wks of Deca and you're shutdown anyway so what's another few more weeks of a Test Prop taper to allow the nandrolone to filter out. Run Test prop 4 wks from the last Deca injection and 2-3 days(I prefer 3) post last test prop injection. Hcg blast 1000iu eod for first 2wks Clomid 200mg first 4days then 100mg next 3days and finish 100/50/50/50/50
Toremifene 120/90/90/60/30/30
Aromasin 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25/6.25/6.25
Caber .5 every3.5days for 3-4wks depending on libido.
Whatcha think?
i think this is perfect for a run with a 19nor
Looks good mate, if someone else recommends ill run this.
Oh ive been using prochem tri-sust.. which doesnt have test prop. Should i grab some prop and run that solo for another 2 weeks? my last deca injection was around 2 weeks ago. Since i stopped ive shot tri-sust twice.. (2 weeks) first 500mg then 100mg (due to gyno) I have my PCT sceduled for 13th september.. Depending what you guys want me to do ill re arrange things. wana get a good recovery.
AnonYou'll be good without the prop. I recommend using prop so ur not coming down off the Deca without test and feel like crap. With prop you could run it right up to 2 days before pct. just a tip for the future bro always keep prop on hand for just in case scenarios. It's cheap and its my favorite ester of test.
Okay so i shouldnt worry about running any kinda test now? Ive already ran 2 weeks of sust after my last deca shot, Should i start the HCG right now? and blast for 2 weeks? Or do you mean use HCG the first 2 weeks of PCT?
AnonPersonally if I were you I'd start it now. Get the those boys primed and trigger some LH production. So blast now and due it for 2wks. Start PCT round 30 days after Deca shot or roughly 4 wks. That should be good enough.
Don't worry about anymore test that's just too much up and down if u ask me.
Next time don't use sust to taper a cycle. It has some very long esters in there. Prop is the way to taper.
Right okay, Ive been told a long time ago, dbol can be used the same way.. but since i have gyno sides dont wana rattle it any more.
Currenly searching for Toremifene.. no uk sources have it
the nolva and deca issues tend to only happen if novla is used throughout the cycle. We use AI's now so it's not an issue but oldschool people used to do it.
It's okay to use nolva in pct because deca levels will be lower and there shouldn't be any issue.
I would also continue caber into pct
AnonNot so sure bro. I know guys who are flacid weeks into their pct cuz they quit caber at end of cycle. The reason? Cuz there's still nandrolone in the system at pct time. And enough to raise prolactin even if the level is much lower due to it leaving the system. My point is the Nolva may still cause some complications. But then again it may not. Some dudes don't ever have any issues where some guys just don't recover the first pct after Deca using Nolvadex in their pct. A lot has to do with the persons tolerance to certain meds and sides
yes i would agree, but most people dont run the test longer than the deca, and go into pct with elevated deca levels which may be effected by the nolva, i personally have never had an issue with nolva and nor19
Good info brotha thanks for clearing up the nolva thing.
I think u shoulda run Ur hcg during cycle. And I agree with godovroids about the test being ran longer. Never heard jack about nolva effecting pct with deca.
lol you're going to get torn apart for this. Should've had pct figured out even before you started the cycle! Test needs to be run longer than deca
Anonagreed that may happen to him, but the reality is whats done is done and "tearing him apart " isnt going to change a thing. I hope someone doesnt feel the need to do so.
thanks
I already know this.
I had PCT planned, But on another board 2 members pointed out that nolva shouldnt be used if Deca as been used. So i want to know if clomid/ostarine would be okay basically.