Test E Question, gains prior to week 4? And blood work + sides?
Actually have a couple of questions will list them:
1) Since Test E typically kicks in around week 4, does this mean any gains you typically see prior to this are from your own natural body? Essentially, does this also mean that you want your diet the most dialed down for weeks 4-10 assuming a 10 week cycle? (Could include week 11 too) -- Not that you would want your diet to ever slack, just for argument purpose.
2) Since test is test, is 400 MG of Test Prop = 400 MG of Test E (Given thats the amount you take in a week?)
3) I have used Test Prop before, I would heat it and also massage after injection and soak in a hot bath. This seemed to prevent PIP. Should I do the same for Test E? I personally would rather avoid this but not sure how big the risk is given somewhat virgin muscles. (Only did 2 injections test prop will explain why next)
4) Test Prop made me sick as a dog about 10 hours later. I was puking, shitting, high fever of 102, etc. Test Flu hit me bad. Could I expect the same from Test E? If so, since its a longer ester, when could I expect it? I just want to time it so I don't miss work if I do get sick for a day.
5) When would sides creep up during a Test E cycle? Week 4? I already have armidex on hand but I don't want to play guessing games. My goal is to do blood work on cycle to determine if I need it and when. I originally planned blood work around week 5 but if sides can creep up prior I can move it up.
6) The place that I can get my blood work done locally the total is nearly 600 dollars. Is this the typical price or can I find better deals?
Stats:
Age 28 (29 in about 2 weeks)
5'10
162 LB
9% BF
Lifting experience over a decade.
Edit: Just saw this female hormone panel Estradiol, Serum Luteinizing Hormone (LH)
Follicle-Stimulating Hormone (FSH) Testosterone, Serum
Complete Blood Count (CBC) Comprehensive Metabolic Profile
For 59.99 -- Would this be all I need? Hell given that price I would be willing to do it every week of my cycle. Would that be a good idea?
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yes run blood every two to four weeks I you can afford it and have the time!
test e and Prop @400 are NOT the same; the prop is in and out so fast and the E stays weeks! This makes your overall test levels go up higher with enanthate then propionate!
The SIDES could come at any time but often the sides are more evident as the cycle goes, I control Estrogen with Aromasin on cycle and sides include slight acne flair when coming ON AND OFF; water retention while ON, and some insomnia (more like extra energy) That's about all I got! It was a great cycle
Test Enanthate 500mg(split 250Mon and 250Thursday)
aromasin ON CYCLE @12.5 mg Mon/Wed\Fri or more if needed; I didn't !
Diet needs to be fully on Point before ; after an during the cycle!
DIET IS 70%of gains
training 10%
Sleep 10%
Juice 10%
My 0.2¢
GATORGEAR
all of your questions are very valid, and the reason you cant find definite answers to them (minus the bloodwork one) is because there is no definitive answer, no generic one size fits all. as tropicana said, everyones different and therefore reacts slightly differently, so really all that can be explained is experience rather than solid fact.
test e kicks in for me usually right around 3 1/2 weeks - i start sleeping deeper, more energy throughout the day, and raging boners with a primal lust for pussy. 4 weeks is simply a guideline, a mathmatical equation almost where blood concentration levels finally reach their peak based on enathate ester. my strength and weight begins to slowly but surely climb, especially strength, starting as early as a week in. weight and size is a little slower but like i said, i start gaining both very early on and it speeds up the deeper into the cycle i get. theoretically yes, diet is most important and effective when blood levels are peaking, but only for arguements sake lol. diet should be on point from day one to see best growth, day one of training that is, not simply cycle.
400 mgs of enanthate isnt released into the blood in a week even when pinning that much, 400 mgs of prop is. they are not equal yet unfortunately i havent been able to figure out how to calculate approx how much would be. i actually posted a thread on that very topic.
prop has significantly more pip for me if kicking a cycle with it, tapering way less. virgin muscle has everything to do with it for me. i heat oil and massage as well, but no warm bath. enanthate doesnt leave the crystals behind after the oil is absorbed nearly as fast as prop, which is ultimately the main culprit behind pip i believe next to pinning technique of course.
same thing here with test flu - its not absorbed and released into the blood as fast so HOPEFULLY the test e wont affect you like prop did, or at least not as bad because that sounds awful. on paper it sounds good, but it might very well not hold up in real life application.
estro sides for me typically havent shown up until about 5 or 6 weeks and it starts with bloat, occasionally leading to slightly itchy nips by week 8 or 9 when left unchecked. way i see it, aromasin is the way to go when it comes to ai's and preventing estro sides. just my 2¢.
i know i didnt answer any of your questions per say, but hopefully you got a lil insight outta it though. best of luck brotha
Privatemdlabs.com for blood tests. I think it's $49 or $59 for the female hormone panel which will cover estro and test.
Hey thanks this is way cheaper then the local place!!!
No problemo
TropicanaJuiceEveryone is different and reacts different to test, you could kick at week 6, who knows, and you could be seeing gains from the test even though it hasn't "fully" kicked its still helping you out
Test E and test prop have different half lives therefore you need to dose them
completely different
You can certainly do that same technique with test e, however may be a pain in the ass, not literately lol. I just finished up first cycle test e and I made suree everything was sterile and rubbed for a couple seconds afterandwas fine, I was also pinning quality test too
Everyone reacts differently with test.
you can wait till sides come about then add the adex in, run at a small dose and adjust as needed, don't make drastic changes or you can run into high/ low e2 quick.
Get bloods done on your own if you can't afford doctor visit or you don't have coverage $600 is absurd. On a typical test e cycle the female panel is fine. Checking every week is a little overkill unless your trying to dial in your e2
Thanks for the response and feedback, I am doing 500 MG Test E.
TropicanaJuiceSplit the doses 2x a week, maybe Sunday morning and Wednesday night. And pound the food! Good clean quality food
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