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wats up guys how ya doing....I had a little battle today with three guys at the gym all three them are freaking huge by the way we were arguing wich steriod is best for growing huge muscles one them said sus the other said tren and the other said decca so i wanted to bring this topic to eroids to see wat you guys think is
BEST FOR GROWING PLEASE LAY OUT CYCLE THAT YOU THINK IS A BETTER MASS BUILDER AND THX GUYS I APPRECIATED.....
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The question and the premise is flawed.
Since there are four of you, and each of them are supporting/using different bulking cycle, which of them is bigger? The guy using the (supposedly) tren only cycle, the guy using Sus, or the guy using the (supposedly) decca only?
Since they are freaky huge, ask them to lay out their cycle... Then, please post them here as examples of "good" bulking cycles.
good question.....the guy on sus been on for few years never comes off and is been working out for longer hes by far the biggest the other two guys only do 1 or two cycles a year but the guy on tren looks the best on definition cuts ripped all year around guy on decca huge too but looses definition every now and then and me i not even in that category i stay around 220 all year long theese guys are 260 to 280 massive i look little compare to them good question tho......
There you go then. Tren gives you a dense defined look, the decca is big but "puffy" with more loss at the end of cycle. The Sus would be the same if he ever came off cycle.
I know the results cause I'm there with them the whole time i see the gains they make who looks better over all, tried Decca once didn't like the puffy ness tried tren and fell in love hard ripped look gains don't loose much at least i dont never tried sus and dont think i will my body type gets big easy so sus not good for me but I just want them to see someone else point of view cause to them the compound they like is the best compound and they always beefing lol....
It just may be that it is the best compound for them but I have to hands down the best mass builder is diet ... diet ... diet.. don't care what compound you run ..
Yes I know food is king of all I only go on cycle wen I cut I know how to bulk up good on food only last year was my first bulk on cycle n I can do the same off cycle my body grows easily but yea diet is king....thx for reply.....
This would be generalize. What works for me might not work for you. Is all about trial and error. All AAS help you improve if you follow the proper diet either for bulking or cutting....no AAS is gonna make u bulk up like crazy, only FOOD does that......thats it....
Thx for the smart reply just wat i was looking for not a smartass answer thx
Those guys probably have been thru all the different compounds and found out which one works better for each and one of them. Unfortunatelly there is no "one size fits everybody" in bodybuilding, cheers.
Ba-DANG!!.. that's the answer
Thank you Suzy. I try my best to help the bros with my little knowledge, wish you a great weekend. Stay fit ;)
lol have you read "the bible" yet?
sgtstedankoYou'd be the 1st black man I met, that hasn't. Yes sir, I have. Honestly more than I'd care to admit, brother. Got some parts memorized. Even got my favorite passages marked for quick reference. That & I just re-read Arnold's new encyclopedia of modern bodybuilding "bible" this afternoon. That's how you should live. You know that's right : )
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Wardi77Sgt pulling out the big guns! I tried telling OP the same thing, but you know how that goes....
sgtstedankoUsually goes in one ear, out the ass. W/the sound of the ocean in the opposite ear hole, right?
Yup... It's probably the eagle scout in me, brother. But I do believe wholeheartedly, in violence of action. Be it, psychological, physical, emotional, or spiritual. Doesn't matter, as long as I bring it! Only when the situation necessitates that I attack, my ultimate goal is to use maximum effort, violence of action and attack the bro-science with the full intention of killing it dead
Wardi77You and I would get along just fine...I got your 6
sgtstedankoCut from the same mold, I'm sure. Got yours as well, brother. Thanks
sgtstedankoAsking for cycle advice, is kind if a no no. Sounds like you don't have a clue. But, IMHO ain't nothing better than test. Any testosterone will do! As far as cycles. I'm not comfortable planning your cycles for y'all :/
How about, you & your buddies post up your fav mass cycles, & let dudes critique? But, I've had the the whole argument @ local gyms before, as well... Best for mass. Imo. Is & always will be. Food! Good quality protein, Carbs, fats/oils. Hard work, intensity, determination, dedication, & testosterone : )
Best overall mass cycle! Now, this is debatable. But, if you disagree, you're wrong.
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Day 1
Breakfast
3 slices whole grain bread
1 cup milk (goat)
1 cup cantaloupe
1 cup fresh or frozen raspberries
3 Tbsp all natty honey (on toast) Or use all natty fruit jelly
1 tomato (diced & added to eggs) 1/2 cup onion (diced)
1 whole free range egg (scrambled) 6 egg whites (w/whole egg)
1/4 avocado, diced & added to eggs 1.5 Tbsp ground hemp or flaxseeds
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Snack
8 whole grain crackers
3 cups of celery sticks
Green or herbal matte tea w/1tbsp all natty raw honey
2 Tbsp natty peanut butter
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Lunch
Foot long subway sandwich w/double meat (i like turkey, w/spinach, tomato & olive oil)
1 cup milk (goat)
1 banana
1 Apple (red delicious)
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Snack2
1 serv grape nuts cereal (mixed into yogurt)
2 cups blueberries (fresh or frozen) 1 cup plain Greek yogurt (w/2tbsp natty honey)
1 whey iso protein shake
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Dinner
1 large sweet potato
1 large ear of corn on the cob
2 slices watermelon
1.5 cups Greek yogurt
3 cups tossed salad (lettuce, spinach, tomato, cucumber, & red pepper) 3 tbsp mct oil/balsamic vinegar for salad dressing
1 cup broccoli
6oz salmon fresh wild caught
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Pre-workout Smoothie
1 cup milk (goat)
1 cup OJ (natty, heavy pulp)
1 banana
1 scoop whey isolate
Ice cubes
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Workout
Coconut water
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Day 2
Breakfast
1.5 whole wheat English muffin
1 cup plain Greek yogurt w/
2.5 cups strawberries
3.5 Tbsp all natty raw honey mixed into yogurt
1 cup organic tomato juice
1 slice of ham
1 full egg hard boiled
6 egg whites (hard)
1.5 ground hemp seeds or flax
2 tsp mayo & mustard (for egg salad) Combine & serve on muffin
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Snack
4 brown rice cakes
1 Tbsp natty fruit spread for rice cakes
3 cups raw veggies (i like carrots, & celery)
4 Tbsp lite Italian salad dressing (dipping)
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Lunch
2 slices whole grain bread
1oz croutons
1 cup quinoa
1 cup milk (goat)
Salad (w/lettuce, tomato, grilled eggplant, & red peppers)
2 kiwis (sliced)
2tbsp lite Italian salad dressing (or your fav)
5oz grilled chicken breast (w/lime juice)
1tbsp olive oil (for roasting veggies) ............
Snack
5 melba toast
1 large peach
2tbsp natty raw honey
1 cup milk (goat)
1 meal replacement high protein protein shake
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Dinner
1 cup cooked high fiber pasta (your choice)
1 slice garlic bread
2.5 cups strawberries
1.5 cups j.e.l.l.o desert
2 cups ratatouille (over pasta)
Salad (2cups lettuce, 1/2 cup tomato, 1/2 cup cucumber)
5oz lean ground beef (added to ratatouille)
3tbsp salad dressing
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Pre-workout Smoothie
1 cup milk (goat)
1 cup OJ (natty, heavy pulp)
1 banana
1 scoop whey isolate
Ice cubes to consistency
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Workout
Gatorade, etc, etc, etc
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Day 3
Breakfast
3 slices whole grain bread
1 cup cottage cheese (on bread, sprinkle w/sugar & cinnamon
4oz fresh OJ w/lots of pulp
1/2 cup pineapple (sliced)
1 cup organic tomato juice (or v8)
1 whole egg (sunny side up)
6 egg whites (cooked w/sunny side up egg)
1.5 ground hemp or flaxseeds
2 tsp olive oil for cooking
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Snack
1 whole wheat bagel
1 small tomato
1 cup broccoli sprouts
6 cucumber sliced
Green tea w/1tbsp natty raw honey
2 Tbsp cream cheese (bagel)
2 Tbsp pumpkin seeds
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Lunch
2.5 cups black rice (chinese rice)
1 cup milk (goat)
1 cup Chinese veggies (stir fried w/red pepper flakes, garlic, onion, & fresh ginger)
1 cup citrus sections
4oz scallops (stir fried)
2 tsp mct oil (for frying)
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Snack
2 graham cracker squares
2 red delicious apples (diced)
2 Tbsp brown sugar
1/2 cup cottage cheese
1 meal replacement high protein shake
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Dinner
2" square corn bread
1 cup black beans (chile)
2 anjou pears
1.5 cup Greek yogurt
1 cup cooked tomato (chopped w/chile powder)
1/2 onion, garlic (chile seasoning) Salad w/1cup lettuce, 1/4 cup tomato, 1/4 cup cucumber)
3oz soy crumble or other added protein (for Chile)
2 slices Bacon cooked very crispy (crumbled into Chile)
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Pre-workout Smoothie
1 cup milk (goat)
1 cup OJ (Natty, heavy pulp)
1 banana
1 scoop whey isolate
Ice cubes for consistency
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Workout Coconut water
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Day 4:
Breakfast
2 cups raspberries
1 cup milk (1/2 cup for French toast)
1 cup organic tomato juice
3 slices whole wheat bread
1 egg
6 egg whites
1.5 Tbsp ground hemp or flaxseeds
2 Tbsp mct oil (for cooking)
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Snack
24 wheat thins crackers
Sliced red pepper, radishes, mini carrots
1 Tbsp all natty fruit spread
2 Tbsp salad dressing (dipping)
12 almonds
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Lunch
2 cups blueberries
1 cup milk (goat)
Fajitas (combine ingredients)
1.5 cups black rice
2 tortillas
1 cup sauteed onions & peppers
2 Tbsp spicy salsa
5 oz grilled chicken breast
2 tsp mct oil (for cooking)
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2 brown rice cakes
2.5 cups strawberries
1 cup milk (goat)
1 meal replacement high protein shake
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Dinner
1 oz croutons (salad)
1 cup chicken noodle soup
4 whole grain crackers (triscuts, made w/sweet potato, etc, etc, etc)
2 oranges
1.5 cups cranberry juice
4 cups mixed salad (lettuce, tomato, cucumber, red peppers)
5 oz fish grilled w/ginger & scallions) fish of choice
3 Tbsp salad dressing
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Pre-workout smoothie
1 cup milk (goat)
1 cup OJ (Natty, heavy pulp)
1 banana
1 scoop whey iso
Ice cubes for consistency
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Workout:
Coconut water
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Day 5
Breakfast
1.5 cups steel cut oats, or quinoa
1 cup milk (goat)
1 cup apples (diced, for carrot/apple salad)
1/2 Tbsp raisins, or goji berries
1/2 Tbsp brown sugar
4 large carrots (shredded, add cinnamon & 1/2 your brown sugar) 1 egg (hard)
6 egg whites (hard cooked, yoke saved for a snack of your choice later) 1.5 Tbsp ground hemp or flaxseeds
2 tsp hazelnut or mct oil (for oats)
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Snack
1.5 oz baked tortilla chips
1/2 cup spicy salsa
1 cup veggies (chopped)
1/2 cup pineapple juice
16 olives
1/2 avocado (cut into cubes)
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Lunch
1.5 cups minestrone soup
1.5 cups cooked linguini
1 cup milk (goat)
Salad w/1 cup lettuce, 1/4 cup tomato, 1/4cup cucumber
1/2 cup marinara sauce
1 cup grapefruit (cut in sections)
4 oz shrimp (grilled)
2 tsp olive oil (cooking)
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Snack
1 serv grape nuts, shredded wheat, or kashi cinnamon harvest cereal
2 cups blueberries
2 Tbsp honey (natty)
1 cup plain Greek yogurt
1 meal replacement high protein shake
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Dinner
1 large pita
1/2 cup couscous, or quinoa
4 large figs
12 oz apricot nectar
4 cups tossed spinach salad (w/cucumber, tomato, sprouts)
5-6 oz lean protein (lamb, grilled w/lime juice)
3 Tbsp vinaigrette dressing
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Pre-workout
1 cup milk (goat)
1 cup OJ (Natty heavy pulp)
1 banana
1 scoop whey iso protein powder
Ice cubes
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Workout
Coconut water
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Day 6
Breakfast
3 slices whole grain toast
1 whole egg (omelet)
6 egg whites (scrambled w/whole egg)
1 cup mushrooms (sliced)
1/2 cup organic tomato juice
1.5 Tbsp ground hemp or flaxseed
2 tsp olive oil (cooking)
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Smoothie
1 cup milk (goat)
1/2 cup OJ (Natty heavy pulp)
1 peach
3.5 Tbsp honey
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Snack
2 slices whole grain bread
3 cups spinach salad
2 Tbsp raisins (salad)
3 slices bacon
1 tbsp mustard
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Lunch
1 whole wheat bagel
1 cup potato salad
1 cup chicken noodle soup
1 cup milk (goat)
1 cup carrot sticks, onion & tomato 2 cups honeydew
5 oz salmon (grilled)
2 Tbsp cream cheese (red fat, for bagel)
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Snack
1/2 cup hemp seed granola
2 kiwis (diced)
1 Tbsp natty honey
1 cup plain Greek yogurt
1 meal replacement high protein shake
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Dinner
2 slices rye bread
1/2 cup high fiber pasta salad
25 grapes (cut in halves added to j.e.l.l.o)
1.5 cups jello
1 cup coleslaw (1cup chopped, cucumbers, carrots, & onion, mixed into tuna)
5-6oz tuna in olive oil (drained)
2 Tbsp honey mustard (for tuna)
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Pre-workout
1 cup milk
1 cup OJ
1 banana
1 scoop whey isolate
Ice cubes
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Workout
Coconut water
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Day 7
Breakfast
1.5 cups shredded wheat, grape-nuts, or kashi cinnamon harvest cereal, 1 cup milk (goat)
2 cups raspberries
1 cup organic tomato juice
1 egg (hard)
6 egg whites (hard, save yolks for later enjoyment:)
1.5 Tbsp ground hemp or flaxseeds
2 tsp olive oil (cooking)
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Snack
2 whole wheat tortillas
2.5 cups sliced veggies
1/2 cup spicy salsa
1/2 cup lemonade
16 black olives (chopped)
1/4 cup avocado (diced)
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Lunch
1 large multigrain roll
6 oz baked yams
1 cup milk (goat)
Sliced tomato & lettuce for sandwich
1 cup radishes, celery, carrots
2 oranges
5 oz grilled chicken breast
4 Tbsp lite ranch (dipping)
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Snack2
1 slice whole grain bread
Smoothie
1.5 cups strawberries
1/2 banana
2 Tbsp natty raw honey
1 cup milk
1 meal replacement high protein shake
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Dinner
2" square cornbread
1 oz croutons
2 oranges
4 Tbsp dried fruit
1 cup natty applesauce
4 cups spinach salad & veggies
6 oz salmon
1 oz shredded cheese (your choice) 2 Tbsp Caesar dressing
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Pre-workout Smoothie
1 cup milk (goat)
1 cup OJ (Natty, heavy pulp)
1 banana
1 scoop whey isolate
Ice cubes for consistency
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Workout: Intensity breeds immensity!
Coconut water
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Before bed every night: Muscle juice revolution 2600! Made w/goat milk. Repeat cycle. Best cycle. Period...
props for takin' the time to write that up for this fella' the guy obviously needs to do some reading and you've given him a good start. even I got some ideas sparked from this post, thanks! +1
you da man! just put into my dieting folder. The right side of my screen is mostly all sticky's from info you've put on here. Thanks buddy +1 to get you closer to that 1000 mark
sgtstedankoThanks, you 3. Enjoy. & lmk, how it works for you
AnonIs it wrong to say I love u to another man?!?!? Reading that post reminded my why ur one of my favorites here brotha! Your diets and training write ups have helped me a ton.
This post was copied straight to my notes bro
Reading all that made me hungry:)
I HEAR YA YA ALL MAKE SENSE WE ALL KNOW THE BUILDING BLOCKS OF GROWING WAT IM REFERING TO IS AAS WICH ONE HELPS GROW FASTER.....
Wardi77no disrespect brother, but if you are asking "which AAS helps grow faster" then you know NOTHING of the building blocks of growing like you claim to know....you can grow on any AAS...hence the term androgenic ANABOLIC steroids...
RustyhookerX2 on food!
i get wat u saying but u also got it twisted u not gona tell me that a certain aas wont get u jacked with better defenition and fuller muscles than the other example two my cuz last summer went on competition one was on decca the other was on tren bouth 19 nor.... same diet plan same work out plan and worked out together the one that was on decca gained more weight than the one on tren got fuller muscles and looked bigger now the one on tren got freaky muscle look to his physique gained 5 pounds less but still look crazy jacked now here were my question falls in place the one on decca loss 12 pounds after he came off and the one on tren only loss 5 so now u tell me wich one worked better over all... i know wat u saying about the building principles thats not my question......
Wardi77Deca is wet, more water weight was gained, which is why he lost more weight at the end, but at the same time not everyone can handle tren. It seems to me like you need to research more into the properties of different compounds and you will answer your own question. What you described is the reason why Tren is hailed as the "king/best" steroid next to Test, but like I mentioned, just do some more homework on the compounds and you will learn all you need to know. I can tell you ad nauseum, but the best type of learning is done when you actually put the time in to learn. Goodnight bro
at least now u replied with some thing i can work with not just hit me with the old saying eat more eat more thx bro and i made this post to show my buddies i want them to hear it from difrent people but i guess u just wanted to argue not mad at u thx for replying good night......
Free the oppressed Wardi!
Wardi77FR accepted brother
listen up, hormones are signals... adding the juice you are trying to take control of the signalling (or rather attempt to control it) .. what builds the body are building blocks that would be amino's for example.. hence as said by ward, FOOD.. you eat, you shit, you sleep that helps you grow.. hit the iron that cause you to have to adapt - signal to the body... hormones are signals to regulate that process (among so many other things in your body, but to keep it simple we are referring to AAS)
change your mindset, and with a different perspective you will see and learn anew.
you see that argument is pointless, my brother you can be much more, don't waste your time with such trivial things
Wardi77Best Mass Builder you ask? Lots of good quality food, squats, deadlifts, bench presses, and power cleans. Worked for me. Goodluck
word!