+ 2 Test still pegged @ 2313 ng/dl on blast, but putting the break on two other components of my stack. You'll see why.
Matrix Test Cyp - Courtesy of bdsupplements.im
HCG - Courtesy of bdsupplements (SEVERE USER ERROR I CLAIM FULL RESPONSIBILITY)
Trenbolone Acetate - Courtesy of bigdpharmaceuticals.nl
I got some bad advice on HCG from a homeopathic doctor buddy of mine who runs his own health clinic, and discovered quickly that dosing at the levels I was dosing aromatizes like crazy hence my estrogen levels look shitty. No gyno issues yet, but I discovered it early, and have stopped hcg and keeping on top of my adex. Normally, my hcg would be a max of 250 IU 2x week for a max of 500 IU weekly. He, the guru, recommended I do 250 IU daily, and that puts me up to a weekly total of 1750 IU of HCG. FYI, NOT A GOOD IDEA. Lesson learned. Don't exceed 500 IU weekly, because at the 500 IU dosage, and on adex .25 ml ED, my estro is ~20 which is perfect.
What is odd is that I have been slowly starting to take this guys advice with a grain of salt because most of the time it is over the top, unrealistic, and unachievable. But he speaks with such authority and knowledge, so who am I to dispute him. He's a hard core researcher and attends seminars all over the country. Whatever. Bad advice is still bad advice.
Also the ALD (SGPT) liver enzymes are elevated. I started stacking tren ace for the last 6 weeks of my cycle. I started 50mg/day for the first week, and I didn't notice any side effects, then I upped it to 100 mg/day for the second week, and still no side effects. I sleep like a baby, no night sweats or anything. But my liver is getting slammed, so I'm backing off the tren. My last lab/ 3/29, I was taking a crap load of vitamin A 50000 - 100000 IU to counter act the oily skin, so I cut back on that and my AST (SGOT) numbers look better this time. I also had high potassium levels last time, and I cut out my potassium supplement.
Lessons learned:
Dosing too high on HCG aromatizes like crazy. Keep it at 500-750 IU max /week. At higher amounts, check your estro levels like every two weeks until you know your stable. Don't always listen to every health 'guru' out there. The hcg diet fad going on right now especially for men is probably a bad idea. It is probably shooting their estrogen levels through the roof. Just sayin.
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Are you taking T3?
Night sweats are caused by the conversion of T4 to T3. Tren has a particularly potent effect on lowering cortisol. If cortisol is slightly deficient, melatonin release at night, combined with tren results in a synergistic effect that dramatically increases thyroid activity. Body temperature rises and you wake up drenched in sweat.
I'm a noob, so I don't know what T3 is. But it is Big D's Tren Ace. Whether that is T3 or T4, I don't know. I just back back mass spectrometry labs on Big D's tren. It is 98% pure. Very good stuff. Sounds like I need to do some more research on T3/T4
Got it.
T4 and T3 refer to thyroid hormone. T4 has 4 iodine atoms and T3 has 3, hence the naming convention.
Your thyroid gland primarily produces T4 with a small amoun of T3. The majority of T4 is found in serum (blood) and T3 witiin the cell. For all practical purposes you can think of T4 as inactive. When it enters a cell it interacts with a thyroid enzyme D1, D2 or D3. D1 and D2 convert T4 to its active form T3 and D3 converts T4 or T3 to reverse T3 (rT3).
The comcentration of D3 changes based on physiologic conditions and has a very short half life. When fasting D3 increases, converts T3 and/or T4 to rT3 and your metabolism slows down. I'm sure you have heard that if your caloric intake is too low, then your fat loss can stagnate. This is the mechanism responsible for the slowing of your metabolism.
There are many other factors that influence this process as well as other hormones.
I have no idea what you just said. But it sounds important. One thing I got out of what you said is by fasting, T3 increases or something to that affect. I am not fasting for sure. I have heard of the compound 'Tri Tren', and I was thinking that T3 was 'Tri Tren'. Is this assumption correct?
Sorry, too much information.
T4 and T3 are thyroid hormones.
Tri-tren is a trenbolone blend. It contains 3 trenbolone molecules, each with a differing ester length. The ester is inert and primarily serves to increase the half-life of the molecule. The longer the ester the longer the half-life.
In general, blends of the same androgen are more difficult to manage since they don't really provide steady state serum levels.
UFOThere is nothing wrong with running that amount of hcg, in fact its common. Ever heard of an hcg blast? its a pre post cycle blast of 1000iu hcg ed or eod for a week or 2. Yes it will def spike ur estrogen a little more but run your A with it and it shouldn't be a problem. Not bashing you or saying what you said isn't partially true but it sure isn't harmful to run those higher hcg doses, just don't want to do it for too long. Also your high estrogen may not be from the hcg alone. For example I just had estro levels of 1789 during cycle but was running NO hcg...
Thanks for sharing brother. I didn't know about hcg blast. I'm still a noob and learning as I go. I didn't start AAS until mid 40's as a TRT guy. Probably good for a PCT to get your balls going again, but I won't be running PCT. I got to thinking that blasting w/ hcg or increasing hcg is another tool to add to the tool chest to increase estrogen if you need it. I read that adding tren will lower estro even more, so increasing hcg might be a good idea during this cycle since my estro on 3/29 was at 16 pg/dl (pretty low and that is @ 500 iu HGC/week + ai). I've been doing labs every two weeks since 3/15 while on my blast cycle documenting my stack and any adjustments I made to the stack along the way. The increase in HCG is the only adjustment that I made that could possibly spiked my estro levels that high. I probably need to not cut back to 500 IU/week, but to 750 IU/ week, because I don't want my estro in the dirt negative. You need some to build muscle. So I know now HCG is a good tool to do that with.
I can see that hcg blast as a pct to get your balls going again, but in the middle of a test/tren blast and the level I was at, it counter acts your gains. I started getting really soft and weak by the end of week 2 on the hcg @ 1750. I had to take a few days off at the gym to let some estro to flush out. I went to the gym last night working out with baby weights and felt like a total pussy. But who cares. One of the many benefits that comes with age is you just don't give a shit what people think anymore. I throw on my plaid pj's from old navy and a t-shirt and some gym shoes hoping to piss off some gym fashion faggot. So liberating.
But your right, a two week hcg spike isn't going to be harmful. I read in another forum post that a Doctor told the patient if your estro goes > 500, you'll die. I thought what a sociopath asshole Doctor. The medical profession is filled with fraud man.
Good job on the post and info brotha! +1
Thanks man. I'm a noob, and this is really my first blast cycle as a TRT, so I am running labs every 2 just to be safe. I thought I would try the tren ace and start out at 35 mg/day. Didn't feel anything for 2 days, then went to 50 mg / day for a week. Still slept like a baby, no night sweats. Then I ramped it up to 100 mg/day for a week. Still no night sweats, and sleeping like a baby, and no aggression, no anger issues. It is probably some other meds I'm on that is keeping brain chemistry leveled out. I'm strong and all, but no where near my peak strength when I was all natural from 2000-2008. Those were my peak strength years. It is going to take some more gym work to get those strength gains back. But the tren is taxing my liver way too much, so I need to back off on that. I'm backing down to 50 mg/day for now. And I'll recheck liver in 2 weeks. Killing my liver just isn't worth it.
I personally... And this is just me.... Haven't known tren to really mess with the AST/ALT levels on a liver test much at all. That number looks like an oral might be in the mix, but it's not .... So not sure. Please follow up with us on bloods. Good post brother! +1
I probably overreacting to that ALT number. 62 really isn't that bad. If I supplement with some milk thistle and cut back to 50mg/day, I should be fine.
If anyone knows tren its my boy fin!
Probably every one is different. 62 still isn't all that bad for ALT. It has to be in the 100's or 1000's to really fuck you up. I found a joker on another forum who's ALT was over 1000, and he was wondering whether he should cut his tren out of his cycle.
The following link talks about what you mentioned. Some people just have a rock solid liver -> http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/professional-muscle-forum/95093...
I can't see that thread. I'm not a member or whatever it says... Can you pm me the info brother? Thanks.
I'm not a member of that forum either. You'll have to page down about 2 -3 pages worth of banner ads before you get to the real discussion. If you still can't get to it, I'll copy/paste each post into a word doc and send it to you, or pm it to you.
Maybe PM it. Says I exceeded my limit of views or something. I just saw the pm. Lol