posted Sun, 04/14/2013 - 15:36
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hcg question someone please give the straight answer
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Okay so everywhere i look its a different opinion do hcg on long cycle only with multiple compounds or do it on any cycle. I am a virgin to gear and this is my first cycle. Running test e 250 2 shots a week and 40 mgs dbol ed for 5 weeks. I am trying to be as smart as possible about this because i do not want to make a mistake like desensitize my nuts for life i just wiuld like to mnow would running hcg on a cycle like this do more harm than good? Pros and cons? Or should i just let the hcg go this time since its my first cycle and im only using two compiunds. Please give me some advice if you have knowledge and experience
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dont play with the HCG unless its a heavy cycle with hard shut down. I am a beleiever in only running HCG at the end of a cycle to just get the ponies to pasture so they are ready for pct. HCG doesnt help AT ALL with getting ya going, it just gets ready to get going, and over using it can have detrimental side effects. if you arent sure dont play, and if this is your first cycle, just run ONE compound, drop the dbol
Oh annd also why at the end and not throught i have heard most ppl also say vice versa is better. Can yougive me an example of how you run it and why you run it that way
the pimary reason for taking HCG on cycle is to avoid testicular atrophy but taking HCG stimulates LH and LH stimulates leydig cells, leydig cells produce test. your shut down on cycle, so taking something to get you going is pointless, the actual ability for HCG to get you going again is very limited also. plus while on with everything out of whack its kind of a battle with test, estrogen and other hormones and stimulating processes. so taking HCG in my opinion to do something it cant do while on cycle is an oxymoron. the best thing it can do is to tell your nuts its time to start working again. but on cycle every shot you shut that signal down again, eventually the over stimulation you get shuts that ability down. is it gauranteed to happen NO but you run that risk the longer you run it and the more often you run. all so your balls look "normal" take it at the end just to prime yourself to get back to making your own test again.
Hey man. Ok so i see some people say what your saying and a few more saying how much hcg really helps you rebound no matter how many cycles youve taken. So my question is whats the difference if its your first cycle or your second cycle? Ive heard some people say it is easier to rebound if youve never taken gear before and wondering if thats your stance(but even so couldnt hcg still help) if i run it low like 250 every four days or so from week 4-12 you think it would potentially do more harm than good? Im just really looking for somengood insight ya know. Too many people make a statement on these boards and then never explain why they think that or where they are getting there info from lol gets a little frustrating. Any insight you could give me though i would truely appreciate. Its just tough when you have friends telling you how much hcg helped them rebound on from there test only cycles and then i have other ppl saying no only run hcg when you run big long cycles. Thanks bro
many guys suggest not even worrying about the hcg on your first cycle and then after that not to unless its a "heavy" cycle. i dont really agree with that tho, and personally believe hcg should be used ON cycle, EVERY cycle regardless - modest dosing works well for me, i pin 250iu sub-q every 4 days which keeps my boys full and plump the entire cycle, primed and ready to go for what i believe to be an easier, quicker recovery aka post cycle therapy. using hcg on cycle imho should be standard preventative (absolute shutdown and atrophy) protocol in every single cycle regardless of compunds used and duration. theres some good threads here about it, search for hcg in all its glory and pm the op - he knows his stuff and is a good dude, always willing to help from what ive seen
New here but def not new to gear. Done at least 20 cycles. Lost count. I agree with mikebuie. First time I have run HCG during cycle (500 test week, 50 winny day) and nads are plump and hanging low. Lol. Using 100ius every day so a 5,000 iu bottle last 50 days. That's a bargain to avoid the raisins if you ask me. Run it and see if you like it.
Do you think that its ok to start my hcg say week three or four rather than start day one or wouldnyou start day one. Thank you for your post to i think i habve decided to give it a go. Seems like a smart choice
yea man i start 3 weeks in with long esters like enanthate, but with short like prop i start the 2nd or 3rd pin, depending on whether or not im followng an every day or every other day shot protocol. i would start with 250iu no more than every 4 days like i said tho, and increase to twice a week or every 3 days only if you dont respond well at that frequency. unfortunately there is no set in stone "straight answer" like you're looking for because everyones bodies are different yo, you just kinda got get a jumpng point and adjust as needed from there to suit your bodys needs ya feel me?
Yea that makes sense. Thanks man. So when do you stop. Iver heard mixed opinions stop with your last pin stop week before pct stop 3 days before pct. What do you think works best and why bro. Thanks for all yoyr help so far. Theres too many contrasting ideas out there for a newb to sort through lol
whoops, accidentally thumbs downed you so i cancelled it out with a thumbs up. anyways, if i taper with prop i drop the hcg 3 days before i start pct, but with just enanthate i would drop it a week before day 1 of pct. i totally feel ya on all the mixed messages and opinions out there and it being hard to sort through to say the least lol. im not an expert or vet by any means though, this is kinda like the common denominator ive found in all my research on hcg. more than happy to help as much as i can with what ive learned tho, best of luck brother. hit them weights hard as f@#$ and eat big but clean and you'll love the size and strength you gain. not sire what you're plannin on doin for pct, but just to throw it out there, research and look into toremifene citrate. pm me if you got any questions homie