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+ 3 What in all holy hell is a half-life exactly?

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So I recently was asked to explain half-lives since most members seem to have a misconceived view of what they are exactly. Now I'm going to be laying down some fairly advanced math here so if you don’t understand I’m sorry, but I really tried to make it as basic as I possibly could.

So to start with half-lives do not mean that there is a linear decay. However the RATE at which steroids decay is linear. What do I mean by this? Take a look at this graph.

http://www.mathexpression.com/images/graph-of-y-neg-x-4.png

This is a linear graph. This is what you guys are trying to interpret steroid half-life to be like in terms of how much testosterone you have in your body as a function of time. This is not the case. What a half-life saying is the rate of change of testosterone per half-life time is linear or decays at a standard non-exponential rate.

In mathematical differential equation terms this can be represented as dY/dT=-kY (where Y is the amount of testosterone in your body and T is time. k is our decay constant. This basically factors in how fast the material decays. Smaller half-life would have a larger decay constant.

Those d’s stand for differentials. This is basically saying an infinitesimally small slice of something. dT would represent an extremely small amount of time passing. Like .00000000000000001 half-life times. This allows us to take measurements of things that don’t have linear changes.

Anyway with our expression which we just derived (dY/dT=-kY) we can separate our variables and integrate. This is basically what a differential equation is (although this is extremely basic and the easiest form of differential equations).

Separating our variables we get

Dy/Y= (-k)dT

Now that our variables are separated we can integrate to find the amount of testosterone per unit half life. If you don’t know how to integrate from calculus I can’t really help you. It would take too long to explain. You’ll just have to trust me that I am integrating properly.

Ln(Y)=-kT+C

C is our constant of integration. It allows us to plug in different conditions without having to completely change our equation. It just represents a number that we can calculate. In this equation C will turn out to be the initial amount of testosterone injected (although this will only solve for the half life decay of a single injection, trying to explain a system of differential equations would be complex so after I finish showing half life of a single injection I’ll move onto excel and you’ll just have to trust my numbers)
Now to solve for Y (amount of testosterone in your body at any time T). To get rid of a natural log you must e both sides. e is Euler’s number (pronounced oiler) and is roughly 2.71828.

After we e both sides we get

Y=e^(-kT)+e^C

We can simplify this to

Y=C’e^(-kt)

Now we can solve for C using the initial values we were given. Say we injected ourselves with 500mg of testosterone enanthate, that would mean at time t=0 the amount of testosterone enanthate in our system would be 500mg. So

500=C’e^(-k(0))

-k times zero is zero and any exponent to the 0 power is equal to 1 so this simplifies to
500=C’

Which makes our function

Y=500e^(-kT)

With this we can solve for the amount of testosterone we have in our system as long as we have our k (which is our rate of decay constant which would vary depending on the half-life).
Knowing the half-lives we can even solve for our decay constants. If we know that test E has a half life of 10.5 days we can solve for our k by

250=500e^(-k(10.5))

Solving for k we get .066014 which makes our equation

Y=500e^(-.066014*T)

With this we can plug in any amount of time and know how much test E there is in our body after injecting 500mg of testosterone enanthate into our bodies.

So say I wanted to know how much test E was in my body after 5.25 days. That’s half the half life. So I should have ¾ of the test E still in my body right? Wrong. This is exponential decay. The greater the amount of testosterone the faster it leaves your body. Meaning the rate at which testosterone is leaving your body is constantly changing. We can find out exactly how much testosterone is in our body with our derived expression though.

Y=500e^(-.066014*5.25)

Y=353.553mg of test E which is not ¾ of 500 (which would be 375)

Anyway I don’t know if any of you will be able to understand what I just did but hopefully you can follow it enough to understand that first of all testosterone esters are constantly decaying in your body and also that it does not decay linearly over time.

spartacus91's picture

Cheers bro

cry_havoc's picture

Roidcalc.com this site does what your asking

spartacus91's picture

Never seen that one before cheers bro

spartacus91's picture

You never no bro bfg has shit on lockdown with eroids trinkets he mite just add this on his next update.

Greg's picture

my head hurts

cry_havoc's picture

"So to start with half-lives do not mean that there is a linear decay. However the RATE at which steroids decay is linear. What do I mean by this? Take a look at this graph.

http://www.mathexpression.com/images/graph-of-y-neg-x-4.png"

I don't understand the point of this graph in this postin. Decay is not linear and the half life math is based on the amount that is in the system at any given time not the original injection. So why I agree that 5 days after a 500 mg injection would be approximately 353 the graph from 500 to 353 would not be linear. It would be logarithmic.

cry_havoc's picture

So would this linear function graph be the same in appearance as every other drug profile out there?
The graph and the function is exponential. You are correct it is not log function. However, it is not linear either.

cry_havoc's picture

I'd have to see your graphs of a cycle. Something doesn't seen right in your math.

cry_havoc's picture

Yes I agree with the graph. But it is not linear. However if you were to plot a trend line that function would be linear. I use a derived function to calculate my levels. My graphs look like this

http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/maximizing-cycles

This is from a write up I did a while ago and I use graphs to illustrate my point. The dosage amount is a log function the half life decay is an exponential function and the elimination rate (k) is constant like the calculus bases function you derived above.

cry_havoc's picture

Yes I know how to do derivatives and integrations and a whole host of other calculus functions. I am an engineer so this stuff is pretty standard. You are being presumptuous as to my math skills, excel abilities and my graphing capabilities. I too know how to put a function in excel and drag the cell down to the desired day using any dosing interval I choose. Once you know the math it takes 20 seconds to input a function and another 15 to graph it. Also there is no way you are dropping from 600 down to 557 in 12 hours. It is 560 exactly one day later. I see that you found K correctly using Ln(2)/10.5. This gives you the 0.066014017 number you used up above but from there our calculations differ drastically. I see what you did but you didn't verify your math. If you did, then on day 10.5 on the left column you would have exactly 300 mg not 126. You hit the 307 mark at 4.5 days. Does that sound right?

On another note. Your cycle and graph don't seem to add up. I am assuming the first graph in red is a single 600 mg dose of test e and the amount of days it takes to drop to 0 is around 55 this is about right but I am not following your second graph so well. You start out with a 600 shot then three days later another 600 followed by another 632 four days after that followed by 705 three days later and then it drops off the pic. So I am assuming you are front loading for about two weeks and then maybe doing a 300 twice a week roughly but your dosing schedule does not make any sense. Your steady state median level isn't going to be very stable that way in my opinion. Your peaks jump from 800 down to the high 7's back up to 800 every other interval. You can avoid this by keeping the same shot intervals every time. I know the old consensus is to shoot Monday and Thursday but that doesn't make any sense when you graph it the way you did or in any graph for that matter. You need to know what the median state is and you can find that using the Median Function in excel. You should remember that from statistics. You want your peaks and troughs to be as close together as possible and as equal as possible throughout the shot schedule. So it makes more sense to have an interval of every three days or even four days but the exact same each shot. Not three days one shot then four days the other.

j223's picture

y = a(1 - r)^t
is the formula for exponential decay.
250=500e^(-k(10.5))

t is the time and he put 10.5 which is the half life, the 500 is the initial dose and 250 as the half dose.
a is the initial amount 500mg
so the second equation is the 500mg dose and the rate of decay (-0.066014t)

I'm not 100% but I think I'm on the right track lol

j223's picture

Use this formula
Ct = C0e ^(-kt)

Ct is the concentration at half life, C0 is the initial concentration, k is the elimination rate constant

so Ct = 1/2 of 500. 500 is the initial concentration. e^-kt is the order of elimination t is half life of enanthate 10.5 days
250 = 500e^(-k10.5)

solve for k then plug K into this equation: (k = -0.066014)
Y=500e^(-.066014*T)
you can plug any number in for T with the above equation and that will tell you the amount of drug active at that day.

j223's picture

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j223's picture

e is not an algebraic number (kind of like how pie is a weird squiggly shape but it means 3.14).
e is the base of natural log and as Terephthalic Pterodactyl said: it is eulers number 2.178...

I'm still taking calculus bro. I have no degree or anything (yet) haha

j223's picture

once you plug everything in k is the only constant
250 = 500e^(-k10.5)

P's picture

VERY well written and i followed it from start to finish! +3
Why do you think calculating half lives are misconceived by so many?