Will be going for my 1st
http://www.eroids.com/cycle_logs/spyv-cycle1-14wkr. is the link to the cycle log.
To quote my description:
"Stats:
Age: 29 in a month
Height: 183cm
Weight: 216
BF%: 20
Cycle history: This will be my first
Diet: On point right now, and have been for the past 10 weeks. Have cut down from 237.
I realize that the party line is indeed 500mg/W of Test E for a first time cycle user, and only the one compound. I may yet decide to part ways with the Masteron E. I am however not completely sold on the idea of cycles as it stands - blasting and cruising is where I believe I'll be headed in the future anyways.
Not looking for a 6% BF, just a clean look and a solid lean bulk out of this. My goals are strength and power related, not IFBB pro competition. Oddly enough I ordered from 3 different sources for gear, PCT, and needles etc, and all of it arrived today. Would be looking to commencing this program Sunday of next week.
Interested in some discussion and opinions, and I have a thick skin so feel free to blast away about BF% etc if it makes you feel better."
Want to get some dialogue going, get some varying opinions, etc. I've seen so much fucked up cycles in my town that this would be considered benign around here - hell the fact that I plan on rotating pining sites, and using different needles to draw and pin even is far more advanced then the guys I work with that are on gear.
So, have it at!
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AnonI definitely advise dropping bf a lil more
But i would run test e at 5-600 a week for 12 weeks and add proviron about week 2 at 50 mg a day for 8 weeks.....i jus dont like running any oral steroid more than 8 weeks.....this should be a nice cycle with aromasin as well should keep you right
RustyhookerIt eill be easier on your system to get below 15% before starting. Binding hormone is higher, bp, stroke, bloat, elevated estro etc etc.
Yes, simple test e for 12Weeks with aromasin is simple yet very effective. Most guys can run and re-run the badic first cycle and keep on achieving the goals.
If your goal is simply looking large and powerful...that'd yet another reason to stick to the basics. Mast is nice for future cycles as/if your goals change. It is also eady to have positive changes on even 300/week if your food and lifts are crakkin. 500 is typically suggested because with food/gym inline...a good 12+ lbs can be achieved.
I'd suggest the aro pct. Just finished that type of pct and retained my gains. Forums/pct has an excellent report covering the INS/outs of aromasin over adex.
SpyVThanks Rusty, that is definitely something I am considering at this point. I'm still torn on the Mast though, the androgenic benefits seem to be inline with my goals at this point. Increased aggression has a benefit in the gym, and my sessions are typically over 2 hours which can drag on any down day.
RustyhookerFirst run on test...you'll be fully focused. I'm tremendously happy on just test. Soo as i zone out on the weights....boom. Plus, if there's issues you wont have to play detective on which one is causing problems. It's your body, so as you will. But if starting off with a stack was the way to go then I'd surely tell ya. For long term, if you stack now its gonna be close to a gram a week. Which will have you at 2grams a week within 5 years to even maintain muscle. Jyst like alcohol or any other drug...future runs always get slughtly bigger or it stops. Why drink a bottle of jack when a 6pk gets the job done?
SpyVThat's what I like to hear, or read in this case.
So, I am interested in discussing the BF% element again. I won't be arguing that lower BF% is not better, because obviously it is. I am however curious how if you have a solid diet, eating at a caloric deficit, and your training methodology is solid, how adding AAS will not help out?
So yes as you stated; "Binding hormone is higher, bp, stroke, bloat, elevated estro" with higher BF, but aren't we controlling some of that with a protocol like 12.5mg Aromasin EOD. And as I understand it with AAS you can work at a higher volume, increase LBM, which all in turn helps reduce BF. The ability to work with higher volumes while eating at a caloric deficit seems to be one of the stronger benefits.
Anywho I'm leaning at this point towards pulling the plug on the Mast. Still considering dosing at 400mg Wk with the Test. My Test E is dosed at 350mg/ml so it seems easiest to go with .6ml twice a week, for a total of 420mg/wk. Thoughts on this?
I'll be doing Blast and Cruise from here on out. I've seen some rookies in my town recently get on four different tests mixed with dbol, var, and others. It's a sad sight when you educate them about PCT! Lol I've been doing research for about six months now and have come up with my first three cycles.
Cycle 1- 500ml weekly test e for 12 weeks, pinning 250ml every 3.5 days with 250uls of HCG, and .5 anastrozol every other day.
Cycle 2- 500ml test e for 12 weeks with a 250 shot of deca from week 2-10. Same HCG and anastrozol.
Cycle 3- 500ml test e for 12 weeks with a 250 shot of deca and 30-50 of var from week 4-12. Same HCG and anastrozol.
I'm currently prescribed test c and am going in to get reevaluated at the end of this month. Once my numbers are steady ill be able to start my run without interference. My reasoning for these compounds and amounts are simple. This is now a lifestyle, and I don't want to rush this! I want to learn as much about each compound and be educated and safe. In all the research I've done there are little to no sides to test doses when leveled with est blockers and combating atrophy. My PCT is simple, I have none since I'm on a script! However, I will be monitoring my bloods monthly. Once off cycle and cruising, I will wait till my numbers are regular for at least six tonight weeks before stating another run. I want to fully understand what each compound and combo does. This should last me a little over a year and plenty of time to research and decide if other compound are even for me.
Dude! I was just getting ready to post about my first run, and you literally wrote verbatim what I was going to! Lol
SpyVI'd say great minds think alike, but I fear my mind ain't that great - Sorry
Haha, but no seriously, I understand why the recommendations on this board, and so many others is a Test E first cycle. Keeps it simple, lets you see how your body will react, all of that important thinking. I also understand the the usual line on getting on gear at lower BF%'s. People seem to think gear is a shortcut to losing weight, which is ridiculous. That said, research shows that people do indeed gain LBM, and lose BF on even Test.
I am curious XMMA, would that be your first cycle as well, or one of many, etc?