posted Sun, 03/24/2013 - 04:18
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My sex drive/libido is shot HELP: 20 years old off test and tren cycle for 2 1/2 months did clomid 50mg for a mo,
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Hey Guys I posted a forum about going on another cycle much safer then test/tren but because of my age much of the responses have been to just eat right protein whey and pre workout and wait till I get older. I am going to go with that advise but I still suffering from some of the after results from my cycle.
My sex drive and libido is SHOT, I even tried Viagra and Cialis which work but its still hard for me to get a full erection and get horny.
If anyone has any supplements or ideas for me please Help
** PS: I just got a blood test to see where my Testosterone Levels are and will post the results monday or tuesday, thanks.
Regards, Mindfuless.
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here ya go, this will help.
Does anyone know how I should Dose the Prami Thanks alot
Hey everybody
I place an order for clomid, nolva, and prami ill let you know how things turn out thanks for the help
Hey guys I think Im going to go ahead and get the Clomid, Nolva, and Caber because I cant seem to find any Toremifene.
This is what my regime will look like
clomid: 100/100/50/50
nolva: 40/40/20/20
Caber .5mg mon and thurs for weeks 1-2 then .25mg for weeeks 3-4
are we in agreement this would be a good combo for my issue thanks a lot guys.
if you have never run caber, id get something else to keep on hand for prolactin. the only reason i say this is because some people dont tolerate caber well, most do, the last thing you need is to only have caber on hand to find out you cant tolerate it also caber is really exspensive. thats why i run prami, a whole lot cheaper and i tolerate it very well. no sides at all and when i take it at night it helps me sleep
I cannot find a good source for toremifene can anyone direct me via pm thanks
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clomid: 100/100/50/50
nolva: 40/40/20/20
Caber .5mg mon and thurs for weeks 1-2 then .25mg for weeeks 3-4
is recommended
then...
toremifene rather than nova
then someone mentioned are
I first want to thank you all for this great insight I feel much more confident in doing this. out of all the regimes people on here have posted what could we all agree on so I can get this going, thanks alot also if anyone has a legit source for this please pm me or w.e thanks alot.
Keep us posted on how you get on. Sure you'll be back in action very soon.
Please take this on board for the future. Tren is an ADVANCED compound that you need a good level of experience to deal with if it goes wrong, (like here). You're a young guy, you shouldn't be touching AAS at all at your age.
for the most part, you've had a great attitude. i hope this is a learning lesson for you, bro. take in all the info you can and save the gear for later. massive48 is another member here that is fairly young and spends his time learning. he has still not popped his cherry.
hey mind, besides the pct take some l-argenine before bed, it helps you get the blood moving.
mwager I sent you a fr. Have some questions on that shot bud
what all did you run? - Test 250/350 at started off 1 1/2 cc and then second mo 2 cc. Tren 250 - 1 cc, then 1 1/2 in the 2nd mo.
how long? I ran this for 2 mos and change ( I know I should have really kept track, I was giving some terrible guidance).
ancillaries on cycle? (AI and anti-prolactins)- None
what did your pct consist of? Clomid 50 mg everyday for a mo. I started clomid 2 weeks after cycle
how long have you been off that cycle? I have been off this cycle for about 2 mos.
ok... thanks for the info. here's the deal:
testosterone converts to estrogen via the activity of an enzyme. this conversion rate is typically going to be dose dependent, meaning that the more excessive the test levels are the higher the estrogen levels potentially become. i'm not gonna get too deep into this because you are too young to be juicing. because you didn't take any anti-estrogen aides during your cycle, your e2 will no doubt be elevated. moving on...
tren is one of the harshest compounds that you can take. it is part of a group of compounds called 19-Norandrostenedione, or 19-nor's. 19's are somewhat unique in that they do not convert to e2. however, they do raise prolactin levels. aside from the fact that 19's will shut you down harder than test alone, some prolactin sides are sexual dysfunction, decreased libido, gyno, lactation. like the estrogen regulation, there are ancillaries that will suppress prolactin levels so that you can avoid or counter the sides.
most likely, your issue is both estrogen and prolactin related...when you ran your blood, what panel did you run? is e2 part of the panel? also, had we known about this before you ran your blood, we could have suggested that you add the prolactin panel to your test. this way we could pin point it precisely.
i guarantee you that your e2 is thru the roof right now. no AI on cycle, and nothing to block at the receptors during your pct. clomid is insufficient for a pct alone, especially at the dosage you're running.
my advice, start another PCT and do it right. once this is done, STAY AWAY FROM JUICE and enjoy your youth, brother. don't be a statistic...
your pct should be:
clomid: 100/100/50/50
nolva: 40/40/20/20
you need to find a legit cabergoline src and add this to your pct to suppress that prolactin. caber is not cheap, but your health is most important. i don't run 19's so i'm limited on what i can tell you in regards to caber dosing and src's. hopefully one of the other fellas can point you in the right direction there.
when your blood levels come back, if e2 is part of that panel, post it up and let us know what it is. we made need to get you on a letro protocol as well.
no more AAS, bro!! i can't imagine many things worse than being your age and having all the ladies talk about how you got a broke dick and bitch tits.
since he was running a nor19 dont you think instead of the nolva, he should run toremifene citrate?? i know that mwagner630 runs toremifene instead of nolva when he runs his deca.
Honestly if your running some sort of prolactin inhibitor there shouldn't be an issue with nolva
Torem would be a great option. Considering there is a two month time lapse between his cycle and now, it's safe to say that what he's dealing with is residual hormone levels that were left unchecked during the cycle. If he was still taking tren, or if it was still in his system, then nolvadex would not be a feasible option for him, since nolvadex raises prolactin when taken in conjunction with 19's. at this stage, however, I think a solid pct with something to suppress both e2 and prolactin is key to his recovery.
so sounds like torem, aro and clomid would be his best options than
I would just add this for his PCT.. being as he took tren and he's not on trt.. He should take either caber or prami with his PCT (Prami is pretty cheap).. prolactin control has become a must for me anytime I play with 19nors (Just makes life easier on PCT).. Aromasin at a low dose is great for me and might be beneficial depending on how your bloods look.. Just my two cents
clomid: 100/100/50/50
nolva: 40/40/20/20
Caber .5mg mon and thurs for weeks 1-2 then .25mg for weeeks 3-4
Hey OmNom what dosing would you recommend for prami instead of caber.
Thanks,
whe i run nor19 i run clomid, toremifene, aro in pct. i dont touch nolva, nolva can make prolactin levels rise from nor19 use
It won't if your running caber during your pct.. I've had prolactin issues but I've never had any during PCT if i run caber also. I wanna give torem a try but I'll still prlly use caber in pct.. Just helps a ton after a tren cycle
well basically same protocol im using than, just one with caber and the other with prami, both with pct prolactin control, but i still only use tore
I could see how both versions will work.. Just sayin nolva won't give you the prob if you're controlling it with caber or prami and no matter what i use caber in pct after 19nor cycles.. In my case I had nolva sitting there and felt it would be a waste not to use it.. and plenty of caber on hand.. PCT went over fine with no prolactin sides (Even had a tiny BB sized lump disappear that I had for over a year).. In the future I am giving torem a try for sure
i have everything on hand, torem, nolva, clomid, hcg, prami, aro, and letro lol
better to be safe than sorry,
this pct im giving triptorelin a try. im going to run toremifene for weeks, and take a shot of trip. i may also run prami and or aro in this. ive seen a few blood works done with trip and im going to try it myself. their recovery was incredible and SUPER fast. 4 weeks for one and 6 for another. precycle blood levels
rumor has it that real tript has the ability to restore HPTA function with a single 100mcg shot.
yup one shot, full restoration of HPTA. ive have been reading everything i can find about it, so im trying it. i havent seen anyone on here try it yet. s ill be the lab rat lol. im getting blood work done 2 weeks after last pin than 4 weeks later. because im doing my trip 2 weeks after last pin.
i recall a guy on here a while back that got a shot of tript from his doc. his levels were 8-9 on FSH & LH and his test was like 900+ (if i remember correctly). i was kicking around the idea of the tript plus the increase positive feedback provided by the hgh. wish i could remember where that post was...
I know.. I WANT SOME DAMNIT
Yup I've got most everything on hand except torem and prami.. Word on tripto is if it doesn't come from a doc or pharm it's prlly bunk.. Very hard to get the real stuff.. I've been hesitant to try research companies for tripto honestly
ive done my research and found what i need. im confident its good.
I've got a few places that are maybes.. FR sent
i think just running the clomid he may have prolactin sides but also some estrogen rebound. he hasnt said if ran anything during cycle for prolactin or estrogen.
Buy some dostinex (caber) TODAY!..... i have a rule NOT to talk AAS to kids, so youre lucky you got that.
Another 20yr old TREN casualty...... Phiiit!... when will you fuckers learn to research :(
Very interested in your workout plan and regime pm me when you can I sent a friend request
Hey thanks for the tip Does Caber have any adverse side effects? would it still be okay to take caber even though Ive been off for 2 mos and change? what doseage would you start me off at and what is the cycle for it?
Thanks,
Mindfuless
X2 on the caber.
With your blood test you should also try and get your estro levels, which are probably also elevated. We can address this when you get your results but get shopping for decent quality caber right now.
i like you lol
with most guys it comes AFTER the mistakes...
Sad but true Grrrl....... sad but true!
Doss has a very good point about prolactin levels being elevated.. that will absolutely kill your sex drive ..
Terephthalic Pt...Hey I feel like Dossier's comment is very valid at the bottom, but it's being pushed down way far. Make sure you check it out and not just keep to the top alright? More info is definitely needed for the best advice.
i think we need more info on his cycle and pct. if all he ran was clomid for pct and no ai. the answer is easy.
Terephthalic Pt...Well an ai isn't always needed. I didn't run tren and I was 22 when I ran my first cycle last year, but I only used clomid and toremifene and my estrogen levels were normal through PCT (I did use aromasin though during the cycle so that might have contributed).
But then again this guy ran tren which is waaaaaaaaay harsh and I only ran test prop and var.
aromasin during cycle was your AI lol. and to run nothing while on tren which is a nor19 is just crazy imho. my man runs deca every cycle, which is another nor19 he started his aromaqsin ans prami 2 weeks late this cycle. (his own fault) but he got sides quick. he has never had them before. so it was odd but it happens. i wouldnt let him cycle at all if it wasnt for ai or serms. NO WAY!!!! so to say its not needed to me is irresponsible. it may be true (in some cases) but its sends a poor message to the less educated.
dont be fooled cause im girl i read TONS on here EVERY day ;)
Terephthalic Pt...Yeah I misread I thought you meant no ai during pct. A lot of people suggest continuing AI support during PCT which is what I'm planning on doing for my next cycle to see how it compares.
And I didn't even really know you were a girl until you pointed it out. A little difficult to tell from the tiny avatar picture (no offense just can't really see what's in the picture very well)
I meant not needed during PCT not during cycle. A miscommunication. I'd never recommend not running an AI during cycle that's just asking for trouble, and I'd never try and say that just because you're a girl you know less about AAS than I do. I've only done a single cycle and am constantly learning.
Didn't mean to offend.
AnonShouldn't have run tren bro ! I say buy some triptoralin and take a shot of that
i have a feeling his prolactin is elevated from the tren.
GearofWar+1. Find some Caber or Prami pronto.