+ 1 Winstrol and Equpoise Really The Worst Steroids For Anxiety?
Found this on another board and just curious on your guys thoughts? I also seen polls taken on the subject on another site where it is almost a 50/50 of people getting anxiety off of it and others reporting nothing.
"Anxiety is felt to be related to GABA-ergic transmission in the brain. For some time, it has been known that some steroids, particularly boldenone (Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - ) and stanazolol (Winstrol - stanozolol), affect GABA receptors in the brain. GABA is considered predominantly inhibitory, i.e. a "chiller". Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - can strip the brain of its natural chillers, GABA, creating waves of panic as you experience and describe so eloquently. Some people are born without sufficient GABA-ergic transmission, predisposing them to panic attacks such as you experienced, but in the absence of any externally administered drug. If you external stress overrides your GABA-ergic transmission, you will panic. So some only develop panic after a traumatic event. You probably had sufficient GABA-ergic transmssion for everyday life, but you were closer to that critical line than you thought, so when Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - stripped your GABA, you were pushed over that edge into panic. Some people are very far from that edge, so they can take a gram or two of Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - , strip their receptors, and still have no problems. Treatment options include benzos (which directly enhance GABA-ergic transmission, but have terrible tolerance and addiction potential and are NOT recommended), antidepressants (which by influencing serotonin and norepinephrine can enhance GABA-ergic transmission or simply screen more external stress through their mechanisms), and lastly DON"T DO Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - . This last one is simplest and best of course."
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This is an interesting read. I found the opposite when I have used Equipoise actually I felt very serene meaning more than normal. I have not noticed any anxiety effects from winstrol only bad cramping. But if this does affect some this way do to the GABA suppression maybe supplementing with GABA could off set those results.
RustyhookerI've supplimented with GABA years ago. Allegedly raises gh output at night. Taken before bed. Tastes like dirty socks.....
Lol it does taste like dirty socks! I tried using it it gave me a weird kind of heady feeling almost like a loss of equilibrium so I deducted that I most not need that supplement lol.
RustyhookerI love both compounds. Hadn't had anxiety yet. Run eq often too. Winny turns me from hyper to a speed demon. Blasting huge pump in gym....3hrs sleep at night and bavk in gym at 4am.
I have been on winny for about a week, and I feel really impatient and sometimes have shit bouncing around in my head, even though I know it is making me anxious, pissed, and uncomfortable. I wonder if that is long enough to affect me and if it is related to my GABA receptors.
WithdrawlI suffered from crazy anxiety for many years so it's something I always keep an eye on. I get anxiety when I run too high a dose of EQ and I've found that it directly related to my blood pressure. If I take more than 750mg a week of EQ my blood pressure goes up (from all the red blood cells I'm guessing) and I start getting anxiety. Same thing has happened to me when I did a real high dose of anavar for a while. My blood pressure was high and I had anxiety. I really think a lot of the anxiety issues people complain about with EQ could be related to blood pressure.
I get anxiety, and take an anti-anxiety for sleep, but winstrol is one of my favorites! No issues here except I can't stay on it all the time!!!
I get a lil oily, and a few more pimples from winny, that's been my only issue?
GearofWar"Lastly DON"T DO Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate"
Hmmm..interesting. I'm on the verge of starting my first ever Eq cycle. 16 weeker @600mg/week paired with Test of course. I'm naturally predisposed to anxiety attacks and am an anxious guy usually. I'm prescribed Wellbutrin, and more importantly, Buspar for GAD. I've never had an addiction issue with benzos(just every other drug under the sun) but I steer clear of em because of the Suboxone I'm on. So I'm wondering if the Buspar would be good enough to keep the anxiety at bay? Good food for thought, thanks for sharing.
NotNatural23hey can u add me as a friend i am on wellbutrin and sub to and i just want to ask u questions about it and see what is going on. dont find many people of subs that lift and take aas.
I've been on wellbutrin for 6 or 7 years . I'm also a huge EQ fan. Message me if you got any questions friend.
Oh trust me were everywhere bro! I've met a ton if guys that got into gear and lifting when they got clean
Weird, never heard anyhing like this before and i have ran both compounds.....
Are you the IFBB pro "Papaswole" trying to fool us again with his "knowledge" bro?
Note: If you are not him, then nevermind.
Haha no. Not papaswole nor am I ifbb pro.
I was just messing with you bro lol.... Thanks for sharing. And dang is that arm urs on ur avatar?
sgtstedankohuh, I've never gotten anxiety from EQ. I'm not a bodybuilding dude, but I love it. personally, my favorite stack would include both your worst. a dollup of test w/a good dose of eq/tren/winny. toss in some primo & var, & I'm in heaven!
Thats a great stack there bro. Na, I have no bad effects from eq. Just winstrol. I was just browsing and found this article, just seeing what everyone thought about the article and what not.
for me personally nether of those substances hold much interest.. I would rather spend my time, money, and energy in other (imo better) things... I'm not saying what I believe is better then someone else's beliefs.. I'm simply saying that for all the homework I have done (years of reading, talking to pro's, etc.) I don't see myself using ether of those compounds.
on another note it would be nice to see some literature on the subject.. maybe hook us up with some links brother.
heres the poll results
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/poll-equipoise-anxie...
where i read the article
http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_training_performanc...
oh yeah, thank you.. that was interesting read I might Google up some more on it on my lunch break..
every single person that replied to that thread said they NEVER had anxiety... lol wtf dude
yes it happens in some people but its not from the drug boldenone itself but from the sudden increase in red blood cells which raises the blood pressure and causes a general uneasy feeling. This IS TEMPORARY and can easily be controlled by simple lowering the dose. Like I said the people that get this side dose over a Gram a week.
Im not aruging with you. Just trying to understand it. The first link has the poll results where more then half the people complain of anxiety. second link where the article is, no one complains. Seems like its all up in the air. I agree about raised bp giving people anxiety, just wondering if the article holds any truth.
lets see some proof bro. thats some pretty bold statements - pun intended
I'd love to see scientific evidence that boldenone has anything to do with gaba. (Sounds like a crock of shit to me)
I always thought the anxiety was due to a sudden increase in RBC and raise in BP. Which can cause an uneasy feeling. But most of the time EQ anxiety is temporary and only in doses over 900mg. Also most people don't get it
Yea I really don't know what to make of it either. Like I said I read it online and seems interesting. I can touch everythign under the sun, but for me of all things winstrol, it makes me feel very uneasy and usually after a few days on it, I notice extreme insomina, to the point where I'm not sleeping for 2-3 days at a time. I have no sciefntic proof, I'm just saying what happens to me personally. I have done 20 + cycle and only time I have probs is when winstrol is added.