+ 1 I'm going to quit using AAS, but I'd like some positive feedback from more experienced users.
I've been using steroids for 2 years. I started with a test ethanate cycle, and liked the results and I seemed to recover fine. After that, I switched to tren/mast/prop cycles at the advice of a friend. At the time, there was (and to an extent still is) a lot of contradictory stuff about tren. Suffice it to say, I loved the effects and over the past 1.5 years have done 3 8-10 week cycles, usually with test only before or after to about 12 weeks.
I have made a big mistake - I have never gotten blood work done, so while I've felt ok off cycle. I really don't know. And while I've never had a strong libido, it's never really come back naturally as I've broken the time off + pct rule. I would use PCT, wait a few months, and if I felt reasonably well I would start again. Don't flame me, it was stupid, but lots of people do this. And as I live in New York State, it's damn near impossible to get blood work done without involving a doc.
A few things have happened in my life recently that have made me decide to quit using steroids. I turn 35 in a few weeks, and I fear recovering in the future. I particularly fear fertility issues, though I feel like I'm just getting too old for this game. I've also recently met a great girl, like mother of my children material, and I fear performing well for her both in bed in general and getting her pregnant. I also can't help but shake the feeling AAS is just not worth the risk. I'm big enough, and I've come to realize it's the feeling of being on that has kept me going. As well, my life at the moment and likely for the foreseeable future simply does not allow for the kind of regiment I need to make the most of cycling. I'm just too busy, and I keep extending cycles because something comes up that makes it impossible for me to deal with the week long crash that invariably comes.
Anyway, I'm finishing up cycle and will begin PCT soon. I will drive to another state to get blood work done immediately after PCT, and then say 2 months later to see if it worked. I'm trying to stay positive as everything I've read indicates the vast majority of users recover in time. It might take a year, but in the end they are all right. For me, I'm going to stop being a prick and do everything I can to recover and try to glean what I can from more experienced users.
But, of course, I'm writing this now because I'm nervous. I keep feeling like I've made a terrible mistake with how I've handled AAS, and I fear I'm fucked for life. I don't really have any reason to think this just yet, but only time will tell.
I guess I'm writing today because I'd like some positive thoughts. All of these boards seem to be filled with retards (to an extent, like myself) who just never really go off or people with real problems. You never hear about the guy who got what he wanted out of AAS and went on to live a normal life free of drugs.
I keep using some basic logic that, overall, most people must recover from AAS as so many use it and the serious problems seem to be relatively rare. I look at say, John Crisler's board, All Things Male, and there are only a few former AAS users there. If it was impossible to recover from AAS, I would think there would be huge numbers of people with real problems. Although, perhaps the vast majority really don't go off. I also think that most people, like myself, probably will stop coming to these boards if I recover fully and give up on gear. So, we never hear the positive stories. Only the negative.
So that's my story. Anyone in a similar boat? Any of you know someone in their 30s who gave up AAS after using tren and went on to live life happily ever after? Any encouraging words in general? Thanks so much, I really appreciate it.
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Being on TRT doesn't make conception impossible. If I were you I'd do TRT and stay away from AAS
eryximachusI have read this, but it seems in a lot of cases HCG/HMG is required. Very difficult to find info on that subject though.
I'm feeling overall a bit less stressed about this stuff. I'm going to stay away from AAS regardless, but I'm going to hope for the best on returning to normal naturally. And if I can't, TRT will be the path.
Just had a long convo with my TRT doc yesterday about fertility. Even being on TRT long term, if you suffer atrophy or decrease in volume, hcg will bring you back easily to the point where you can conceive. You won't stop TRT, just add hcg in while you try to get her pregnant. I wouldn't be so afraid of TRT. Yes you made mistakes in the past, but you don't want thatto cloud your judgement and decisions now.
eryximachusThanks for this post Lordajax. Really made my night.
No worries brother, I am newly on TRT and also recently met the girl I'm settling down with and we plan on starting a family in the future. My biggest concern about TRT was the same as yours brother, but now that I know it's not a matter of choosing between a family and my fiancées dreams, or my health I feel a ton better. You can have your cake and eat it too in this instance, not many times in life u can say that. Plus TRT will give you two a better sex life, that never hurts in a marriage brother.
eryximachusHa, glad to hear. Did you make a strong effort at restarting? Or did you just go straight to TRT thinking it would be easier?
Another thing to consider is that as you age, your levels decline period. So even if you had never touched AAS you might still require TRT. We can't say for sure what your levels would have been had you stayed natty, sure they probably would have been higher but by how much? We will never know, and it really doesn't matter does it? I pin 100mg cyp E4D, most of the time with a 29" slin pin, takes less time out of my life than brushing my teeth. In the scheme of things, it's not a big deal. The big deal is the mental decision making process we torment ourselves with before we walk thru the TRT door. Fear of the unknown, the horror stories, etc. but once you walk thru the door, you think "wtf was the big deal and why didn't I do it sooner?" That's my experience bro, I wrestled with it for a Long time, asked advice from vets on here as well, and let me tell you....if you do go on TRT, it won't be as big a deal as you might think. Keep me informed bro, FR sent and let's hear what decision you ultimately make. I for one appreciate the fact that you posted this, because it really hit home for me and reminded me of where I was at mentally not too long ago.
eryximachusThanks Lordajax.
I'm going to do a heavy PCT starting on Sunday. I usually feel pretty good on PCT, unlike a lot of people. Hcg, clomid, nolva, maybe aromasin. Probably 6-8 weeks.
I'm going to get monthly blood work for probably the next year after that just to make sure my levels don't fall.
I keep holding out hope that triptorelin is an option, but I've decided to wait to use that as a last resort. I want to use pharma grade, and while I have doctor friends who would prescribe it, I have a feeling it's going to be a pain in the ass to procure.
I'll keep you informed, and I might just create a detailed log on this site of my experience.
Sounds good!
Yes, I did very good pct and my cycles were always extremely mild, never over 12 weeks, never ran the harsher stuff. I truly don't think my gear use had too much effect on my hpta. I have a genetic component because it runs in my family, multiple surgeries requiring pain meds and a high stress profession are more to blame I believe. After every pct I took extended time off, and my body would have good test levels in relation to my baseline. My levels fell off a cliff this year, and I hadn't even cycled for about 6 months. After my last pct I was at 630 in around October, and I was preparing my next cycle for this month. I always get labs before a cycle so I know exactly where I'm at natty, and I was in the low 400s, I felt like shit, no libido or drive in the gym. So I made the decision to do TRT for a quality of life issue more than a training, muscle gain decision. Life is good again, sex is better than years, mood is better, more energy, every workout is fun and productive. I can truly say its the best decision I ever made for my health next to back surgery.
i was just talking last week about someone i know that has been cycling HEAVY doses of TEST TREN DBOL ANADROL, MAST WINNY WHATEVER he can get his hands on and hes been doing it since highschool. Hes 40 now. Just had a kid last year, doc said his sperm count was in the high range. Seems impossible by most accounts but the general consensus is that everyone is affected differently. Thanks for offering a different perspective and good luck to you. BTW there are sites on this board where you can get bloodwork done.
eryximachusIt's really tragic there is nothing but anecdotal evidence on this stuff. There are so many guys living this lifestyle, and the dozens of boards indicate and the huge business suppliers are doing... Yet, all we have are anecdotes.
Glad to hear stuff like this. Like I said, it seems reasonable to me. People frequently ask if I am a bodybuilder or otherwise comment on my size, but I know there are MANY bodybuilders far larger than myself who never could have gotten there without running massive doses of gear. Far more massive than anything I have run, and for far longer. In my 2 years of experimenting with gear, I've been very impressed with the results But, even I know that to get truly monstrous would require many more years.
I hope I am like your friend!
I agree with your motives. I believe that some of your decisions with AAS were poor. I don't 100% agree with everything you say. Testosterone at least is beneficial to your health. But not if you produce good numbers naturally. So I salute your decision anyway. Health should be the number 1 factor. And it isn't every day that we see ppl making responsible ,educated decisions when it comes to AAS. Good luck to you and congrats on reaching your physical goals.
eryximachusPlease don't misunderstand, I am not at all suggesting testosterone supplementation is at all bad. The broad evidence is clear, for whatever reason, testosterone levels in men are plummeting in the in the West. One could even make the very reasonable argument that many of the problems people have recovering from steroids today are due to something else in the environment. I'm sure everyone knows that steroid use has been going on for decades, and there are many bodybuilders from that early era that seem to have recovered just fine.
My concern is simply about infertility, and the nature of black market products. I used to not care so much, but now it just seems like an unnecessary risk.
And you're right, my decisions have been poor. I regret them, but I will do what is necessary.
Thank you for the reply, and as a mod - I'd love to know if you've heard any positive recovery stories!
Surely if you were only mainly doing Test-E and following a safe PCT i'd say your chances are more very strong of being fine?
eryximachusI would agree. But I didn't do that. Which I regret.
I hope all goes well with you. If you want to overcome being nervous and fearful it is simple but not easy. Realize this whether you screwed yourself up for life or not what is done is done. Take whatever consequences that go with your decisions and know that you earned them whether out of ignorance or stupidity. You earned them, once you have done that you then can realize that you can't undo it, go back, or change the past, so there is no point to fear what may come. At this point you are hoping that others will try to make it be ok but it is an illusion because each person is and will respond differently. This may seem like hard criticism but I assure you it is not. This philosophy I follow myself having made many decisions worth regretting, I have learned and continue to learn that while you fear what may happen from bad choices in the past, then you are guaranteed to destroy the present. Which honestly is the only thing that any of us have. For instance while you are afraid about what life after 30 may look like because of aas usage, you fail to think that it would be just as plausible to be killed in an accident tomorrow. and your last moments on earth were wasted because of fearing way down the road of life as if it is promised to any of us anyways. Well I have babbled on enough but sincerely I wrote this to encourage you. And I do hope that you find peace for your mind.
So true, the mental component is 99% of TRT, fear of the unknown, and the temptation to equate it to just being on a constant cycle, with all the sides, health risks, and amounts of gear and everything that goes along with that. If you think trt is synonymous with cycling, who the hell would want to sign up for that for life? I wouldn't.
eryximachusThis was a great post.
I hope I don't sound like a bitch! I completely agree, and whatever happens - I will deal with it. While nothing I've read indicates TRT is a great thing, I've taken low dose test and I get by just fine. So, I know it will work for me without issue.
I guess I just wanted some positive stories to give me just a little bit of hope that this road I have decided to take can in fact lead to where I want it to.
Thank you for the hard criticism.
You don't sound like a bitch, you have fear which I am well acquainted myself. And you already seem to be kicking it in the ass with your reply. You are welcome!
Alot will depend in what your blood levels are at post pct !
Best of luck
I wish the best for your outcome
eryximachusThank you brother!
TropicanaJuiceHealth is the most important thing, smart of you to realize this and come off for your needs but bloods need to be done. Directlabs.com if you ever decide to cycle again. Best of luck brother
eryximachusHa, I'm getting blood work done, even though I don't plan on ever cycling again. I'm definitely not taking the path of going by how I feel ever again.
Well bro IMO just get bloods done and chect your natty test, hopefully your not completely shut down cuz tren does that to u.. And if you are shut down.....then my friend aas are going to be apart of your life for good..... Good choice by the way and good luck.:)
eryximachusWell, I'd like some thoughts. When I first started researching this stuff, there was much more conflicting information. I honestly can't keep up. Initially, Deca seemed worse. And it's still routinely recommended for a second cycle, and I continue to read about people with low test levels months after cessation.
Surely, there must be people who recovered in normal time from tren ace.
The thought of having to be on TRT therapy at my age is just my biggest fear.
Thanks for the quick reply.
Brother I had to be put on TRT at the age of 25. I was terrified at first but once I realized all the benefits to it and all the health risks I could have not being on it I quickly changed my perspective. This was all before I ever even thought about using aas. If it comes down to it bro a shot a week doesn't sound to bad to be healthy.
eryximachusThank you for the reply. If worst comes to worst, I will go on TRT. I don't have any reason to think it will come to this, but who knows. For me, it will be absolutely impossible to function with low test, so I won't really have a choice.
Like I said, my main concern was fertility. If I had 2 kids right now, I wouldn't care in the slightest.
I think it all depends on your sperm count bro, EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT.. Branch Warren the bodybuilder just had a little girl not too long ago and hes on MASSES AMOUNT OF GEAR all year round... Sooo yea.lol
Im not saying it shuts down whoever uses a 19nor type compound like tren or even deca, some ppl recover just fine.. But some ppl shut down FOR GOOD... Thts why bloods are important on any cycle.
Bro i know 21 year olds whose gotten shut down and placed on TRT for the rest of there lives... Thats just the risk of fucking with synthetic hormones...
Just GET BLOOD WORK DONE.
eryximachusUnderstood. This is the first place I'm going to go as soon as i get the results of my tests back in 6-8 weeks or so.
Thanks again for the quick reply.
For sure bro keep us updated..
No problem
eryximachusIncidentally, what do you think the probability is of full recovery?
I use to think it was 95%+, but there are times I fear it's much lower.