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+ 1 I'm going to quit using AAS, but I'd like some positive feedback from more experienced users.

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I've been using steroids for 2 years. I started with a test ethanate cycle, and liked the results and I seemed to recover fine. After that, I switched to tren/mast/prop cycles at the advice of a friend. At the time, there was (and to an extent still is) a lot of contradictory stuff about tren. Suffice it to say, I loved the effects and over the past 1.5 years have done 3 8-10 week cycles, usually with test only before or after to about 12 weeks.

I have made a big mistake - I have never gotten blood work done, so while I've felt ok off cycle. I really don't know. And while I've never had a strong libido, it's never really come back naturally as I've broken the time off + pct rule. I would use PCT, wait a few months, and if I felt reasonably well I would start again. Don't flame me, it was stupid, but lots of people do this. And as I live in New York State, it's damn near impossible to get blood work done without involving a doc.

A few things have happened in my life recently that have made me decide to quit using steroids. I turn 35 in a few weeks, and I fear recovering in the future. I particularly fear fertility issues, though I feel like I'm just getting too old for this game. I've also recently met a great girl, like mother of my children material, and I fear performing well for her both in bed in general and getting her pregnant. I also can't help but shake the feeling AAS is just not worth the risk. I'm big enough, and I've come to realize it's the feeling of being on that has kept me going. As well, my life at the moment and likely for the foreseeable future simply does not allow for the kind of regiment I need to make the most of cycling. I'm just too busy, and I keep extending cycles because something comes up that makes it impossible for me to deal with the week long crash that invariably comes.

Anyway, I'm finishing up cycle and will begin PCT soon. I will drive to another state to get blood work done immediately after PCT, and then say 2 months later to see if it worked. I'm trying to stay positive as everything I've read indicates the vast majority of users recover in time. It might take a year, but in the end they are all right. For me, I'm going to stop being a prick and do everything I can to recover and try to glean what I can from more experienced users.

But, of course, I'm writing this now because I'm nervous. I keep feeling like I've made a terrible mistake with how I've handled AAS, and I fear I'm fucked for life. I don't really have any reason to think this just yet, but only time will tell.

I guess I'm writing today because I'd like some positive thoughts. All of these boards seem to be filled with retards (to an extent, like myself) who just never really go off or people with real problems. You never hear about the guy who got what he wanted out of AAS and went on to live a normal life free of drugs.

I keep using some basic logic that, overall, most people must recover from AAS as so many use it and the serious problems seem to be relatively rare. I look at say, John Crisler's board, All Things Male, and there are only a few former AAS users there. If it was impossible to recover from AAS, I would think there would be huge numbers of people with real problems. Although, perhaps the vast majority really don't go off. I also think that most people, like myself, probably will stop coming to these boards if I recover fully and give up on gear. So, we never hear the positive stories. Only the negative.

So that's my story. Anyone in a similar boat? Any of you know someone in their 30s who gave up AAS after using tren and went on to live life happily ever after? Any encouraging words in general? Thanks so much, I really appreciate it.

Lordajax's picture

Being on TRT doesn't make conception impossible. If I were you I'd do TRT and stay away from AAS

Lordajax's picture

Just had a long convo with my TRT doc yesterday about fertility. Even being on TRT long term, if you suffer atrophy or decrease in volume, hcg will bring you back easily to the point where you can conceive. You won't stop TRT, just add hcg in while you try to get her pregnant. I wouldn't be so afraid of TRT. Yes you made mistakes in the past, but you don't want thatto cloud your judgement and decisions now.

Lordajax's picture

No worries brother, I am newly on TRT and also recently met the girl I'm settling down with and we plan on starting a family in the future. My biggest concern about TRT was the same as yours brother, but now that I know it's not a matter of choosing between a family and my fiancées dreams, or my health I feel a ton better. You can have your cake and eat it too in this instance, not many times in life u can say that. Plus TRT will give you two a better sex life, that never hurts in a marriage brother.

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Another thing to consider is that as you age, your levels decline period. So even if you had never touched AAS you might still require TRT. We can't say for sure what your levels would have been had you stayed natty, sure they probably would have been higher but by how much? We will never know, and it really doesn't matter does it? I pin 100mg cyp E4D, most of the time with a 29" slin pin, takes less time out of my life than brushing my teeth. In the scheme of things, it's not a big deal. The big deal is the mental decision making process we torment ourselves with before we walk thru the TRT door. Fear of the unknown, the horror stories, etc. but once you walk thru the door, you think "wtf was the big deal and why didn't I do it sooner?" That's my experience bro, I wrestled with it for a Long time, asked advice from vets on here as well, and let me tell you....if you do go on TRT, it won't be as big a deal as you might think. Keep me informed bro, FR sent and let's hear what decision you ultimately make. I for one appreciate the fact that you posted this, because it really hit home for me and reminded me of where I was at mentally not too long ago.

Lordajax's picture

Sounds good!

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Yes, I did very good pct and my cycles were always extremely mild, never over 12 weeks, never ran the harsher stuff. I truly don't think my gear use had too much effect on my hpta. I have a genetic component because it runs in my family, multiple surgeries requiring pain meds and a high stress profession are more to blame I believe. After every pct I took extended time off, and my body would have good test levels in relation to my baseline. My levels fell off a cliff this year, and I hadn't even cycled for about 6 months. After my last pct I was at 630 in around October, and I was preparing my next cycle for this month. I always get labs before a cycle so I know exactly where I'm at natty, and I was in the low 400s, I felt like shit, no libido or drive in the gym. So I made the decision to do TRT for a quality of life issue more than a training, muscle gain decision. Life is good again, sex is better than years, mood is better, more energy, every workout is fun and productive. I can truly say its the best decision I ever made for my health next to back surgery.

EmeraldLaoch's picture

i was just talking last week about someone i know that has been cycling HEAVY doses of TEST TREN DBOL ANADROL, MAST WINNY WHATEVER he can get his hands on and hes been doing it since highschool. Hes 40 now. Just had a kid last year, doc said his sperm count was in the high range. Seems impossible by most accounts but the general consensus is that everyone is affected differently. Thanks for offering a different perspective and good luck to you. BTW there are sites on this board where you can get bloodwork done.

Nitti's picture

I agree with your motives. I believe that some of your decisions with AAS were poor. I don't 100% agree with everything you say. Testosterone at least is beneficial to your health. But not if you produce good numbers naturally. So I salute your decision anyway. Health should be the number 1 factor. And it isn't every day that we see ppl making responsible ,educated decisions when it comes to AAS. Good luck to you and congrats on reaching your physical goals.

Braxbrah's picture

Surely if you were only mainly doing Test-E and following a safe PCT i'd say your chances are more very strong of being fine?

Darktide's picture

I hope all goes well with you. If you want to overcome being nervous and fearful it is simple but not easy. Realize this whether you screwed yourself up for life or not what is done is done. Take whatever consequences that go with your decisions and know that you earned them whether out of ignorance or stupidity. You earned them, once you have done that you then can realize that you can't undo it, go back, or change the past, so there is no point to fear what may come. At this point you are hoping that others will try to make it be ok but it is an illusion because each person is and will respond differently. This may seem like hard criticism but I assure you it is not. This philosophy I follow myself having made many decisions worth regretting, I have learned and continue to learn that while you fear what may happen from bad choices in the past, then you are guaranteed to destroy the present. Which honestly is the only thing that any of us have. For instance while you are afraid about what life after 30 may look like because of aas usage, you fail to think that it would be just as plausible to be killed in an accident tomorrow. and your last moments on earth were wasted because of fearing way down the road of life as if it is promised to any of us anyways. Well I have babbled on enough but sincerely I wrote this to encourage you. And I do hope that you find peace for your mind.

Lordajax's picture

So true, the mental component is 99% of TRT, fear of the unknown, and the temptation to equate it to just being on a constant cycle, with all the sides, health risks, and amounts of gear and everything that goes along with that. If you think trt is synonymous with cycling, who the hell would want to sign up for that for life? I wouldn't.

Darktide's picture

You don't sound like a bitch, you have fear which I am well acquainted myself. And you already seem to be kicking it in the ass with your reply. You are welcome!

gatorbits's picture

Alot will depend in what your blood levels are at post pct !
Best of luck
I wish the best for your outcome

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MASSIVE48's picture

Well bro IMO just get bloods done and chect your natty test, hopefully your not completely shut down cuz tren does that to u.. And if you are shut down.....then my friend aas are going to be apart of your life for good..... Good choice by the way and good luck.:)

RPianaSwole's picture

Brother I had to be put on TRT at the age of 25. I was terrified at first but once I realized all the benefits to it and all the health risks I could have not being on it I quickly changed my perspective. This was all before I ever even thought about using aas. If it comes down to it bro a shot a week doesn't sound to bad to be healthy.

MASSIVE48's picture

I think it all depends on your sperm count bro, EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT.. Branch Warren the bodybuilder just had a little girl not too long ago and hes on MASSES AMOUNT OF GEAR all year round... Sooo yea.lol

MASSIVE48's picture

Im not saying it shuts down whoever uses a 19nor type compound like tren or even deca, some ppl recover just fine.. But some ppl shut down FOR GOOD... Thts why bloods are important on any cycle.

Bro i know 21 year olds whose gotten shut down and placed on TRT for the rest of there lives... Thats just the risk of fucking with synthetic hormones...
Just GET BLOOD WORK DONE.

MASSIVE48's picture

For sure bro keep us updated..

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