posted Wed, 02/13/2013 - 04:41
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How many cycles before adding a new compound?
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Obviously you are supposed to go test only for your first one or two cycles, but wen is it ok to start adding compounds such as mast,eq,npp, maybe primo or 1-test? I know teen and deca take a lot more experience but idk if I ever plan on running them anyway. Thanks in advance
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Some very solid advice in this thread. I agree with keeping it Test only for the first 2-3 cycles. Get a feel for how your body responds to it. You can definitely put on some good muscle with this type of cycle. When are you going to add in Anavar? How much are you going to take? If you are looking to lean out with the Anavar, how about trying Test Prop instead? Will hold less water than the long ester Tests.
AnonI will no longer be running anavar. I think I will be using tbol at the end instead of anavar. Anybody think tbol is a bad idea at the end?
AnonI think I'm just going to run test e by itself with some anavar at the end thanks for the info guys
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkTry to find types that work with different hormone receptors if possible, not sure the body has enough receptors to fully exhaust two of the same types of AAS, plus take each compound separately before you combine so you can gauge any adverse effects. HGH and Winny with test-e are good stacks for cutting, while Dbol and sustanon are good for bulk. A cycle is never a waste, like alcoholics say, "it only works if you work it" or in this case work out. I have only stacked once and was frickin floored by how much I was pumped of course I could feel my heartbeat in my chest every night for a week, just be careful bro.
Some people also say that different AAS work so synergistically that solo compounds are kind of a waste.
For my first cycle I am using test and EQ and loving it.
Solo compounds work great when you are brand new to these hormones entering your body but we only see the synergistic effects as we progress and experiment with stacks due to hitting platues, i used to be able to get marvelous results from var or primo ran singularly, now i have to stack 4/5 compounds at increased dosage to get similar or better results,also we have proved a lot of theories wrong regarding female dosing, i can run side free on 50% of a full male dose either it be testosterones or even tren, fair enough i have choosen to go beyond the normal female physique but untill the day arrives when i lose touch completely with my feminine side aas is here to stay, i found taking EOD shots of prop to be better than any HRT therapy offered by our hospitols and doctors, there you go just a female view for you
Good for you!.. but if bad sides boot-up.. would you know which compound to blame or alter dosage???? .. answer NO because you have jumped the gun and are trying to run before you can walk...... bad move bro i hope it all dont go wrong for you.
QUESTION.. you mention you are running equipoise.... how long is this first cycle ??????
AnonMost of that is bullshit. Don't get me wrong, there is some syngeristic benefit from AAS interaction, but most of the time you here synergistic benefit, it includes AAS with peptides, GH, IGF, insulin, etc. T3 with DNP, Clen with T3 instead of solo, etc.
Testosterone should be a foundation in every cycle and it should be used solo for your intial cycles. You want to gradually introduce new compounds into your cycles over the years so you can assess how your body responds to the different compound.
You jump the gun and use multiple compounds out the gate, how can you speak for how you respond to Test Enanthate on it's own? How do you assess the differences between ester's or compounds if you haven't first assessed how you respond to different estered testosterones?
First 2-3 cycles should be testosterone only, in my opinion. Long esters for the first two, see if you can differentiate between Cypionate and Enanthate. Then run a test only short ester cycle your third time around. See which you prefer and how you respond. Then begin incorporating an additional compound into your cycle and you'll be able to know what's different from the test gains your body brings on from the new compound.
You run test enanthate your first cycle by itself, then your second cycle is test propionate with masteron or npp, how do you know what's really making your body respond? Is it still just the test and your body likes short esters? Is it the NPP? Maybe it's the mast?
AAS usage is all trial and error, learning how you respond. Your best cycles should be years down the road as you learn from your intial cycles.
Totally agree.. couldnt have worded it any better... +3 brother good sound safe advice.
I like your guys advice - but I would like to run 2-3 cycles total in my lifetime and be done.
Maybe that will change when I'm at the end of the third cycle, but I don't want to be on HRT any quicker than I have to.
So I'd like to bang out these 3 cycles get just past my genetic limit and then try and keep it.
AnonGood info guys, I have ran a test cycle and a test dbol kicker so far, planning on running test and mast with a var finish for this next cycle this summer
AnonI would say the age of the user plays an important role. From what I've read on this board, there are guys running deca, tren and eq that are 20-23yrs old (too young in my opinion). I trained naturally for 5 1/2 years before I ran my first cycle which was test 500mg 12 weeks, and dbol 30-40mg 4 weeks. I made great gains.
I wouldn't say "how many cycles". It's not necessarily a number of cycles. It's more about exploring your body. Learning and gauging your body's response to different dosages of test, kickers (orals and test). I personally would like to see a newbie AAS user to run 3 test only cycles ,adjusting doses each time (adding) before exploring new compounds. That's not to say a dbol kicker or var taper isn't ok on the 3rd cycle or so. Just that I would rather someone really get a handle on their body and how it reacts to testosterone (THE GRAND DADDY). People make great gains on test only cycles all the time. Then compounds like EQ, masteron (both dht and not to be taken lightly). Maybe winny, primo (again dhts). I would stay far away from tren or deca for a while. Stick with test. Maybe add an oral kicker or prop kicker/taper. Just my opinion
if i could go back and do it the RIGHT way I would start off slow. Test cycle, then test + oral, test + new inj (NON TREN OR 19NOIR), test + start inj + finish inj. so on and so on.
Only run combos of juice youve already tried solo. Never run two orals at the same time. Get a feel of what each roid does to your body and how you react. This also gives you sufficient time to play around with AI and PCT dosage to find the spot thats right for you. If you jump right into big boys like tren and deca and dont even know what the word prolcatin means, your gonna have some problems. Take it slow, you got plenty of time ahead of you. And if any of the juice isnt working.....FIX YOUR DIET AND TRAIN HARDER!!!! =)