posted Sat, 02/09/2013 - 11:59
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Okay so everyone says enanthate is better than test and sure you get more bang for your buck. But originally sust was created for hrt and a one shot a month regimen for stable levels. So what I don't understand is how you can't just pin a bunch of sust the first week and be good all month long. Don't get me wrong I love test e but I also love sustAnon (I've had better results on sustanon than enanthate don't ask me y) Any input you gurus lol
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AnonSust is a tapered test. Why would anyone want to go e3d to get optimal results on 30mg of prop or 60mg or PP? That's like a crackhead combing the carpet for a piece of rock the size of grain of salt.
Sust is all about the Iso and Decoanate. Every 7days is plenty. Who in their right mind wants to optimize 30mg of Prop? Or 60mg of PP? You will just be over saturating urself with the Iso and Deco. To each their own but honestly a compound meant for once a month being administered E3d?? Lol!
Also if you pin sus250 e3d that means your only pinning 160mg of Iso and decanoate each time. That's only 320mgs of iso and decanoate in 6 days, by no means are you saturating yourself.
What portion of it is intended for once a month pinnings? The decanoate ester has a half life of about 15 days. That's all. Bi weekly pinnings you could do. But only for therapeutic purposes. The reason you want to utilize the shorter esters is for a couple reasons. One, you want to get the most you can out of every mg in the compound and secondly, prop is actually a more efficient ester than the longer esters because you actually get more legitimate mg's of test/ml than than of the longer esters. Basically there is more mg's of the actual hormone in an ml of prop than that of say enth or cyp.
scootertrampAnyone wanting short ester kick or fast results frontloads or adds 100prop eod. Taking sustanon as a multipin is rediculous. One more reason sustanon is not for newbies. I've done well on sustanon but think it can be overrated as well.
Sust is my favorite test, Less water retention than test e and the prop really sends my libido through the roof. Every 3rd day is fine to inject sust. For the people that say eod is necessary i always say you are better off with prop.
That's how I roll!
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scootertrampEasy, frontload 1000 first week then 500 per week thereafter. Once a week.
Sustanon was not originally created for hrt. It was first compounded by Organon as a means of keeping blood levels more consistent for wasting cancer patients. Also, you stated that "enanthate is better than test". Enanthate is an ester attached to synthetic testosterone with a half life of around 2 weeks. Sust is broken down into 4 different ester lengths with varying amounts of mg's designated for each ester. Example: sus250 is 30mg proprionate 60mg phenylproprionate 60mg isocaproate 100mg decanoate. Prop having the shortest half life of around 48 hours and decanoate being the longest at around 15 days. Ideally you should pin sus no less than e3d for optimal gains from all esters.
Ok. Cool I'm still gonna pin eod but there are people that are needle phobes and only run orals, this could kinda help them out if they could just pin bi weekly then get use to it and start every week and so forth instead of beating up there liver. Also I thought the decanoate lasted longer so that is good to know it. You answered my ? Yoked gracias
Decanoate is the same ester attached to norandolone decanoate (deca) Which has a half life of around 15 days. Pinning yourself definitely can take some getting used to. I probably did it 200+ times myself last year alone.
Got damn I do it twice a week lol I don't mind the shot but I'm not to fond of pip. Especially from the short esters I mix my stuff with alittle deca and it makes the world of difference
Yeah the pip is either from the prop or phenylprop. The other two rarely bother anyone. You might try running sus500 at half cc's to cut down on oil. But then you've got EO and usually guiaicol involved that may cause pip as well. Just have to play with it until you find what works for you.
Cool yea the deca helps dilute it for me and I get alittle more boost from it. When I ran gear with grape seed oil from the green man my body didn't like the oil at all and I had to quit. My body doesn't mind essiential oils but gso crippled me weird
I meant to say enanthate is better than sustanon sorry. I know what an ester is, that's why I was wondering y u can't front load and be good all month that was the ?. Also this isn't something I am considering I was just curious because all the esters are there and organon knows test Karachi is the best I ever used. Ok let's say 4-6 ml for 2 weeks then u would just be pinning Bi monthly
I think I got a little confused by your wording, but it is a good question regarding front loading. I don't think it would be necessary do to the shorter esters included in this blend. If anythng else, you could simply add a little more prop as a kicker. I read where doctors where starting to use sust for TRT purposes but they found it was less than ideal do to increased doctor visits and importance of timing injections. That's why most docs use cyp. If your off a day or so with your injection, your blood levels will still remain pretty constant.
I think the better results come from multiple estered tests. Your body doesn't get used to it as fast. And you can't get stable levels from and that's why 99% trt doctors prescribe bi monthy shots of cyp instead.