posted Tue, 01/01/2013 - 07:53
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minimum doseage of test while on hgh?
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About to run a 6 month cycle of hgh and couldn't find a definate answer on the dosage of test to run while on hgh. I read if u go.over 2iu of hgh it!s best to add test, but at what dosage? I will work my way up to 4ius a day starting around 9 week I believe. So far I've done 2 cycles of test and my PCT will be over at the end of January, that's when I am.planning on starting my hgh. With that said, what amount of test should I add and what would be a minimum dosage of test to get any benefits from adding test? Smack me if its on the forum somewhere but i didnt see it. 
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def no need for test man, totaly different . Hgh does not shut down natural hgh or test. Now the combination of HgH AND test... should blow your mind !
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/hgh...born-again
Take a view into Treads forums. Click his name...his forums.
Unless you're a trt patient...dont add test. You'll turn them nuts off dude.
Stats?
I'm 38, 175lbs @about 10-11% bf. I had my test levels checked by my dr. and he said they were too low (272) for my age but if I wanted treatment I would have to.go somewhere else. With him being the quack that he normally is I figured it way too easy to get test and treat myself. I haven't officially done any trt, I've just done 2 cycles. I know first hand that it shuts your nuts down. Since I have already been diagnosed with low t, I was wondering what the best dosage of test would be to get a little more out of the hgh.
If your wanting trt you should find a younger endocrinologist they'll help you out a lot.. If you want kids in the future ask them about hcg with trt.. That'll keep the nuts afloat enough to still have kids
Already have enough kids, had the boys clipped years ago. Km good there....LOL
Oh yeah another reason you want it through a doc is if you ever wanna travel.. It's much much easier to carry around needles and prescription vials onto a plane than it is to try to have them mailed to your hotel, especially overseas xD
Well nothing beats having a doctor there to check your bloods all the time.. hopefully you just don't get one of those twats that wants to pin you once every 2 weeks.. No way that's stable
i read that hgh how to by baron somewhere buried in the threads and he mentions adding test... i guess it does say something like "some people" but i dont remember being specific on dosage. he mentions "T4". am i way off base here? or did i read that wrong?
Putting anything into your body has its effects. Add test...body lowers natty production. Thyroid is definitly something requiring much research before attempting along with constant blood testing. Small messup with test you might get acne or gyno. Mess up thyroid and you end up on thyroid meds for life. Posted bloods have shown no change in thyroid at normal low run hgh. High doses would require constant bloods to monitor those levels. As with anything, if 2iu a day works wonders...folks will go 4iu....then 6iu.. There's folks on here bragging their gh is the best because all day long they can't feel their hands/arms. I'll clip a post on here by Tread. He writes many forums on gh and he's the guru. From feedback on long term users common low dose is working great. Also, research into gh sides is important.
sweet thx bro. im trying to read as much as possible on this because im planning to start a GH cycle but every time i think i have it figured out i read something different. So for now im holding off till i learn more. Ill check out tread, thx again.
Hospital/college research sites are freely open to the public. UCLA...johns Hopkins etc. endicrinology studies are freely open because research is always cross checked fir further projects. I used to dig all those sites. Can't remember the acronyms...like .gov etc. but search them. It's boring but lots there
perfect, will do thx.
I never touch t3 unless im on a 19nor and that's just to supp the suppressed thyroid levels.. Like fast is saying you don't play with your thyroid.. I'd rather be on trt then have a screwed up thyroid.. I don't know any one with a hypothyroid that isn't absolutely miserable
I've posted this a couple of times before, but I'm proof that messing with thyroid meds is a bad idea. I used to use t3 and t4 to hit a weight class for martial arts years ago. I never used high doses, but for done reason my thyroid stayed over active permanently. I had my thyroid removed and take t4 for life now. I also developed atrial fibrillation and had my heart stopped and restarted when I was only 31.
I know many suggest using t4 when running gh, my experience would suggest you should be very careful. Is it worth the risk?
You gotta roadmap your thyroid with bloods...there is NO doubt. I've been running rips for four months...ran a lower dose of 2-3IU's and then ramped it to 5IU's around Nov.4 with addition of gear, been on that dose since. Had thyroid bloods done about 7 weeks later(after being on 5IU's)...everything was A-ok. I know what my baseline is and now I will constantly get a thyroid panel everytime I get some other hormones tested...if it ever deviates, then I might think about supping with T4.
I posted my bloods and I had chimers advising me to begin a T4 regimen...and honestly after researching the thyroid and what is considered "normal" levels ONCE AGAIN...I considered taking the T4 and honestly I did for all about 3 days when I could clearly tell I did NOT need it. I was just way off...body temp felt wrong, I was cold...and I am normally almost sweating all the time, lol...and I was also fatigued/tired...and this I am not really ever like that, quite abnormal for me. My TSH and T4 levels are naturally running on the high side of the levels, but I think that is because I have a fairly active metabolism and at the current time there is no other need to alter that(gh or not), as that is one of the thyroids main purposes...the metabolism.
It's not worth the risk at all.. Makes me question even supplementing for a suppressed thyroid from 19nor =/
I think you're tight to question it. Whilst I was unlucky, I would hate for any if you guys to go through the same crap.
I did notice my thyroid would respond to the suppression by increasing into border line hyper for a few weeks after coming off a 19nor.. This was before I started supping t3 with deca.. I've been supping t3 this round I'll def have to get it checked
You'll know if it goes wrong, it's not subtle. I lost 4 stone in 6 months whilst eating 5000 calories a day!
I could maybe do with a week of it now to remove some Xmas mince pies / chocolate etc ;)