posted Thu, 01/03/2013 - 04:18
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Does TRT level testosterone require AI?
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Does TRT level testosterone require AI? I'm sure people will say it varies from person to person. Has anyone had high estro on blood work while on TRT dosing? I mean real TRT. 100-200mgs a week testostereone dosage.
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I found even on a 100mg per wk TRT doctor prescribed that I still needed and anti-estrogen.
Thank you for your input.
TRT is for life usually, and is supposed to help increase the mans quality of life. This can't be achieved if E2 is within supraphysiological ranges. Lipids problems may increase depending on ai dosage and the amount of time but generally speaking, E2 levels should remain lower than testosterone if you are in TRT as you wont feel any of the benefits and E2 can cause a host of health problems, like hypertension and LDL increases, not just gyno. Some individuals may not be fine on 200mg and get estrogenic issues but some may be fine.
We are all genetically different, some may not want to use an ai as they do not require them, whereas someone else may wish to due to a higher rate of aromatisation. Its up to the person but it should be discussed with the doc if your getting trt from them, they might even prescribe an ai for you.
To me trt is self prescribed. The product is gotten from one of the top sources on eroids. The way I look at it if your over 40, trainiing, and juicing why bother with pct. Eat a bunch of pills to get to an inadequate level of natural test. So for me trt is the bridge to clean out the receptors and body but not loose the gains from the previous cycle. I did end up taking arimadex even on the low dose of test during the bridge time. Thank you for your input.
Ok brother, I understand where you are coming from and I agree that pct is not needed if there is no intention of stopping test at trt as It makes little sense. Well as long as you've an ai on hand anyway, you'll curb the e2 if necessary. One thing I would suggest but I imagine you already know this, get bloods done during the trt 'bridges' you might take just to make sure everythings all good - on that note I wish you well mate.
I will do that. Thank you.
Simply put I did/do require it. After 1 month of pellet TRT, I had labs done, I felt like crap, no desire for sex, could perform but I had artificial help, tadafil. Labs showed estradiol at 87, talked to Dr about AI, began adex at .5mg E3d last lab now at 24
I must say I have to agree with you. I'm now doing .5 arimadex eod. Seems to be working ok.
zewiYes 150mg a week wich is the normal TRT does and should be giving in two shots a week to improve stable levels. 150mg a week is about 4times more than your body would have every produced at your peek.
So yes you need an AI---but usally a doctor will not subscribe it unless you 1 ask, or get test for your estro levels.
A normal young man will produce a total of about 6 milligrams (mg), or 6 hundredths of a gram, per day.
SIDES OF TEST--- DHT is 3 to 10 times as androgenic (male characteristics) as testosterone. The enzyme 5-alpha-reductase is responsible for this conversion of testosterone to DHT. In the prostate, 95% of testosterone is converted to DHT by 5-alpha-reductase. Specific medications can block this enzyme in the prostate. DHT, along with estrogen, is the contributing factor to an enlarged prostate. Testosterone has a protective benefit to the prostate.---When test is sitting outside of the Cytoplasm it will do two things One is convert to DHT—the other is Estro..
A small percentage, just 0.2%, of testosterone is converted to estradiol(Estor)by the enzyme aromatase. This may seem insignificant but estradiol is 100 times more potent at the cell receptor site than testosterone. This means that a male needs 100 times more testosterone than estradiol just to have an equal affinity for the receptor. Approximately 80% of estradiol(estor) is produced via this conversion from testosterone.---This is showing how much test you need to make sure you don’t have estor sides, that is why an AI is so important to your cycle, If your AI is not there, well you will have more estor in your body. Why you see so many sides with people just running high test on their own is two reasons. 1. Test is slow in getting to the receptor while fight against estor so test is sitting outside the Cytoplasm turning into DHT or Estor. 2. They are not running an AI.
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Thank you very much for that detailed answer. With that I will continue to take my .5 mg eod of arimadex. Plus 1 from me.
Your hormone dose is related to the clinical picture and your symptoms. An uninformed physician will treat your lab data rather than you. Keep in mind that the lab's reference range for a particular test is nothing more than the 95% confidence interval of that lab's population base. Since men in optimal health are not the majority of patients getting lab work, the ref range will be skewed toward those that are ill or have a suspected illness.
In most cases, your labs are drawn immediately before the next injection so that a trough level can be determined. Men typically experience symptoms of testosterone deficiency not excess.
Keep in mind that Total Test levels below 550 ng/dL are associated with increased heart disease, stroke, diabetes and premature death.
The guys that will have problems with excess aromatase activity are easy to spot before treatment by evaluating their silhouette and behavior. Female fat deposits, gyno, emotional instability etc generally require an AI. On the other hand, the thin, bald guys may not. Again it's the clinical picture that provides the most information. Labs just confirm.
There are several things you can do to slow the conversion to estradiol if you are susceptible:
Limit/eliminate alcohol, caffeine and other stimulants;
Wear loose underwear and pants;
Treat scrotal varicocele.
Good Luck
Man that was very informative. Thank you very much.
Thanks bro.
Thanks for all the input and info. I guess there is no way around the damn blood tests. I hate the blood test. When someone invents the in home estro test like the pregnancy tests they will be rich!
everybody is dif but i would get bloods done after running a trt dose for a a month or two and see where your estro is and go from there
mr127superdee200mgs a week definetly NEED AI AND that is not trt dose either you should not be above 150mg for trt dose otherwise you are just on year round cycle rememeber trt means your looking for natural levels unnaturally so somewhere between a 800-1000 test score nothing higher.
It really depends on the ai I know i do run arimidex while on trt to stop an estro rebound from being on cycle i keep it at .25mg e4d the AI should be waht ever dose it takes to keep you between an estro score of 25-35 while on trt with a more strict 20-30 while on cycle
this is not a arguement to anyone saying different I LUV YA JAKD UR MA FAVORITE HIPPY! lol just my personal opinions
when you say test should be 800-1000. when do you run test if pin every 7 days? in the middle of the week or right before pin?
1jakd_hipyYour levels should be pretty stable after about a month or so
1jakd_hipyI would never recommend doing thing I do, so no offense taken. I was just giving my story
1jakd_hipyI dose every 5th day to keep estrogen at bay and always keep AI's on hand just in case but rarely have any issues with 250mg's a week