-12 14 days DNP With t3, no workout and a supposedly big NO NO (benzoes)
So trying DNP while the weather is cold. This time going for 14 days.
As an anti-fatigue I used ephedrine. Had a little Ritalin which I also used (not combined).
Added T3 to have more burning and keep a normal/elevated T3 hormone level when the decreasing sets in due to the DNP.
Kept away from alcohol as this seems to be a dehydrant (although not a big one).
I looked everywhere to see if I could find a source to why you should keep away from benzoes and sleeping pills - and didn't found a thing! Only people proposing it, without any explanation to why...
Searched through pubmed, and found it to actually be used to threat overdose of DNP. Found no reason to why it should have a negative side effect combined with DNP. (and I searched a lot of articles :-/ )
So Xanax and Ativan was used in small doses once and awhile to get a good nights sleep. (I tend to sleep way to little on this stuff). I find these sleepless nights to be hellish and ruins the entire day.
Started with a high start dose to get a good buildup of the stuff.
It felt warm already on day 2. I sweated heavily on day 3 already. Outside it was around 5-7 degrees Celcius, and I didn't even had the heat turned on. Usually I just sat inside with only boxer shorts on. After 5 days I needed to use fans also.
Working was hard. Doing just a little thing gave me a good sweat!
So actually I didn't even do a single workout during the 14 days on DNP.
Started with a weight of around 118 kg and ended at approx 113 kg. So a good 5 kg's lost in 14 days.
In order not to loose muscle mass I used some Dbol (switched to Oxy when i ran out after 12 days... Just wanted to use the leftovers I had). However these was a non-branded product so it was probably under dozed.
The side effects disappeared quickly when I finished, so maybe the half life isn't the 36 hours proposed by almost everybody else. I read it was 60 min in mice and 220 mins in rats - found in actual experiments. Couldn't find an experiment where humans had been measured.
Food intake was low calorie. Didn't pay much attention to it, but ate less than I usually do. Kept protein high though.
had 4 x multivitamins, 3x500 mg Vitamin C a day and plenty of fluids.
All question/comments are welcome :-)
| Day | DNP | T3 | Dbol / Oxy |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 400mg | 50mcg | 20mg Dbol |
| 2 | 200mg | 50mcg | 20mg Dbol |
| 3 | 200mg | 50mcg | 20mg Dbol |
| 4 | 200mg | 50mcg | 20mg Dbol |
| 5 | 400mg | 50mcg | 20mg Dbol |
| 6 | 400mg | 50mcg | 20mg Dbol |
| 7 | 400mg | 50mcg | 20mg Dbol |
| 8 | 400mg | 50mcg | 20mg Dbol |
| 9 | 400mg | 50mcg | 20mg Dbol |
| 10 | 400mg | 50mcg | 20mg Dbol |
| 11 | 400mg | 50mcg | 20mg Dbol |
| 12 | 400mg | 50mcg | 20mg Dbol |
| 13 | 200mg | 50mcg | 50 mg Oxy |
| 14 | 200mg | 50mcg | 50 mg Oxy |
| 15 | 50mcg | 50 mg Oxy | |
| 16 | 50mcg | 50 mg Oxy | |
| 17 | 25mcg | 50 mg Oxy | |
| 18 | 25mcg | 50 mg Oxy | |
| 19 | 50 mg Oxy | ||
| 20 | none |
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fuck-uppery lol
Could you elaborate? Otherwise I'm guessing you don't know anything about it..
Your sentence should start with something like "when I ran DNP I did it this way ____"
Please don't think you know anything about DNP because you have googled a few forums.. That would just be pathetic
Bro you don't need to google dnp. You just need to know that its a toxic substance...causes damage to systems in ur body that keep your body functioning properly. It raises ur temp....now that alone is all you need to know. Ur body is very sensitive to temp changes and if you do it without monitoring vitals and its not under medical supervision...you ARE playing a dangerous game. And maybe ur body can survive, maybe you can't. your reasoning is like saying....not evdryone that goes into a burning house will die or get hurt, I researched and IKNOW how to get around safely and unless you've been in a burning house you can't tell me ANYTHING. Well first off, things can happen that you can't predict and being in a higher risk situation (ie being on dnp or inside a burning house) the stakes are raised....and if ur willing to risk your health or life to loose a few pounds then that's ur perogative and maybe you don't value your life as much as some of us. It is very, VERY unwise to take drastic unhealthy measures for vanity. Ur not obese, you don't need to loose weight rapidly. Regardless of what you read, the side effects of dnp ARE dangerous, they are. And mixing with other drugs like that? If you look hard enough you will find stuff that supports your viewpoint....but 99% of the information out there says its dangerous. And Idoubt there's research of mixing xanax, dnp, dbol, and ephedrine, ritalin, and t3. Bro....come on. Ru really THAT self conscious of ur weight???? You should learn to be content with who you are and outer appearance isn't even that important. If you truly believe that what you just did was safe, then you are highly misinformed and should speak with a doctor and a psychiatrist.
Nothing is safe. Neither huge combinations of AAS as young people do here on these forums, or DNP.
Since We are all different I do hope that less than 1% would feel that this is the way to go... Would rather have people understand that what works on me doesn't necessary work on others the same way... I tried this, and it was good for me. Not them! I had thermometer, bp measures, icebags ready to be used. I'm sure i wouldn't die. But i'm doing Anavar now, and i'm sure it won't kill me either.. But maybe i would become the unlucky one on the simple Anavar "cycle" (adding Tbol later, giving the liver a little break).
If we all didn't care about our body appearance, this site probably wouldn't exist. But if all people here who think they are on a safe cycle, then the psychiatrist might become a little busy :-/
But now I have tried it. Probably won't again.. I mean even though this weight loss was so extreme, i would rather be able to go to work not sweating all day long. Sleeping through the night without waking in a soaked bed..
People doing high dosage DNP says they are around 600 mg or above. I would never even try that one day.
T3 is sometimes a necessity on DNP as production shuts down. I never felt full lethargic, so i expect it to have done it's job. Efedrine is used by most others, and it doesn't seem to be this that make them sick. I used only small dosage efedrine to have some energy.
Dan Duchaine suggested efedrine to be able to function while on DNP. Hope he wasn't trying to screw with all of us :-/
The Ritalin was only a few times, and that was heavily underdozed. So i wouldn't compare it's effects to efedra.
Now since benzoes are used as a treatment for overdosing on DNP, i didn't expect it to have any negative effect. Neither did i fell any. This was a test on my side one might say.
But remember i didn't do DNP to feel good while being on DNP.
I did to test the weight loss of this product, and to get a jump start on getting a little bit more learner (if it worked as good as it should).
To me this was pretty much a test of this product, seeing how far it went + getting a good weight loss..
Totalling 7 kg ~ 15 lbs, i must say it was something that worked. Since the carbs are back in the body and water retention have vanished, it looks good as heck..
What is worth it? Hell Yes... Did i get an experience from it? yes indeed... Will I do it again? Nope...
Okay, I mean, Iget where ur coming from. And I'm glad you posted your cycle and all this stuff rather than just doing it and not sharing ur experience. The risk vs reward factor would suggest its a bad idea tho. See I've never had an ounce of fat on me my whole life so I don't know what its like to have that crazy drive to loose body fat that I would risk my health. Its never worth it to jepaordize your health for a few pounds. Just be patient and do it the right way....I see where ur coming from but still when you weigh out pros and cons, you can get the desired effects in a much much healthier way. Obviously...
Yes i know that of course. I did loose around 6 kg before trying this stuff by working out and eating better.
I just took much much longer :-/
But it was some experience trying this out, I must say.. Health was of course a huge factor to consider before trying it the first time. I don't put a pesticide/poison into my body without considering health factors first.
zewiYou did not like what i said before "smh" well here you go this is better
THIS CYCLE IS FUCKING RETARTED
gymnuti'd love to see this guys liver enzymes!!! they gotta be skyrocket! and xanies are just flat out SUPER addictive.
DNP shouldn't have much, if any, impact on the liver, according to the old studies from the 1930's.
And yes, Xanax is addictive in prolonged use. But not "Super addictive".. Just don't use them all the time, and you'll be fine
Well wiseguy.. This wasn't a cycle!
This was a test to see how DNP works on ME. And ME alone. I don't care if people go 2 months at a dose of 1000 mg, or inject several grams of test alongside.. Timing it with juice before and after because that's what others do up to a competition..
I needed to figure out how I reacted to it. A weight loss of 5 kg/2 weeks is excellent for me, and an awesome result. So now I know how it works on ME.
You probably go juicing 365 days per year with grams of juice and still can't bench 200 kg?
Most of the game is knowing your body, and learning how to listen to it, instead of just doing what everybody else does... A comment like this is retarded without any explanation to what you would do better, or what you have done better in the past is somewhat idiotic. You sound like someone who just googles your way through cycles written by people who probably haven't even gotten hair on their d*** yet, and therefore think you know better?
Oh, and by the way, reading some of your other post comments I thought you liked busting balls, and didn't get upset over it. Basically that was what I was doing replying to your comment.. Just busting balls in a fun manner.. (same with this entire comment).. I'm not a rude person.. Just trying to reply in a funnier way :-)
crystal or powder?
do you actually think the dbol/oxy was needed?
did you fully carb deplete 3 days pre-cycle etc?
macros whilst on cycle?
I think it was crystal. Yellow and green capsules, and according to the place I ordered them it was mixed with vitamin C.
DNP supposedly isn't ketogenic, but i did wanted some form of anabolic to hopefully not loose to much muscle. I had a nice strength doing powerlifting before trying this, and it would be a shame to loose that. DNP shouldn't be to toxic to the liver, so DBol was an ok drug to use at that low dose. Something milder like anavar or primo could probably be enough.
I have read about others not using anything, and still retained their muscle gains. But my appetite decreased a lot, and I needed to take a lot of shakes to get enough protein. So just wouldn't take the chance.
I didn't do any specific carb depletion. DNP works by blocking the burning of carbs (or stopping the creation of ATP from carbs), so it should work fine as a fatburner as soon as it is in your system at a good concentration. Total Carb depletion is hard, and people seem to get excellent weight losses without it.
And sorry, but what do you mean by macros ?
JohnnyBlackYour whole thought process on this one is totally fucked...
Started with a high start dose to get a good buildup of the stuff.... if you really did all this research you claimed to, you would have read EVERY article says to do the exact OPPOSITE of this sense DNP takes time to accumulate in your system and you start low (200-250mg) for at least the first four days THAN raise it...
second off "in order not to loose muscle mass.....take dbol" again whole fucking thought process is off. Taking dbol will get you nice a bloated. could have gotten better mass from ACTUALLY working out instead of doing DNP and sittin on your ass which is what it sounds like u did since you
"So actually I didn't even do a single workout during the 14 days on DNP."
Your whole thought process is off bud, why your getting so many -'s
You can't build muscle on DNP unless you add insulin, HGH and testosterone. Now side effects increases massive with Insulin and DNP, since you move almost all your blood sugar into the muscles, where they get burned of as even more heat. (remembering sugar to be the heat generator with your uncoupling of the oxidative phosphorylation)
This is not my theory, but Dan Duchaine's. Please note that this was NOT a muscle gaining "cycle". It was a weight loss test for ME, and to see how DNP reacts on MY BODY, and not yours or others.
Now using a calculated DNP concentration schema, the 400 mg start gave me a better DNP concentration from day 2, and was a test for me, since I have tried DNP before with 200 mg for 3 days and then increasing. That had to be put on hold on day 5 since the weather turned and summer came with a 10 degrees increase all of the sudden. Remembering how it took 3 days to "work", I tried the 400 mg jumpstart and I consider that an ok result for me.
Taking dbol was a simple solution as it was laying around. Easy to dosage and DNP itself will make you more bloated than you will ever get from DBol. Having a smaller appetite for some reason, i wanted to try and use something that would help me not lose to much muscle.
Now the workout part.. Sitting with a thermometer and having a temperature of 37.5 degress (Celcius) at times really tells you to NOT go and do cardio. I would have loved to go to the gym, and as soon as I quit the DNP i was of to it! I got enough working out done, just while being at work I would almost say..
I don't claim to have read every article.. Just to have searched through many. I have read a lot of cycles by others. Some doing this, some doing that. One guy doing 1500 mg and still going to the gym every day lifting heavily, and others doing 200mg and feeling sick as heck..
JohnnyBlackyou just arnt listening are you? your contesting what everyone is saying and what all the advice on almost EVERY site is saying about DNP...
1) almost anyone whos done DNP or has intimate knowledge of DNP tells you to take low dose for up to day four than increase, thats just standard!
2) It says not to do intense cardio, not sit on your butt and not work out what so ever like you did.
3) You can ALWAYS build muscle, But not by NOT working out and relying on a drug to do it for you
4)Mixing in Dbol..... not even gonna commet again
Theres a reason you have so many dam - on this post dude, think about it
Yes i'm listening, but are you?
Have you tried DNP? Or just written comments on it?
I'm only contesting those who write annoying comments like "this is stupid" or saying i don't know what i'm doing, while they don't really know anything about it. Asking questions are sharing knowledge/experience would get a much better/nicer response comment from me :-)
Comments from one of these guys is one who actually pushing grams of AAS into his body every week, and don't really have very good stats.. Should i listen to him??
One advice in a forum post was something like "if you don't feel 500 mg test, you should just up you dosage till you start feeling something". Yikes...
u dont look any better in ur post picture. u could have gotten better results w/ just cardio and diet. i don't know why ur gloating over depending on dangerous chemicals to lose weight and not working out..not cool if u ask me.. get ur ass in the gym
Could you point out the gloating part?
If you read it better, you see that even a little work would increase my temperature, and therefore a workout would be impossible under those conditions (and due to the heat increase, maybe rather dangerous)
This was a simple try with DNP to see the effect, but since you have managed to lose 5 kgs in 14 days with diet and workout alone?? then you are probably better then most people in this forum.
exactly why would u take chemicals that would stop u from working out. the whole point of working out is not to be only physical in shape but mentally.and its terrible for u body, t3 alone can cause u to fuck up ur thyroid hormone, and DNP...lol ...its not healthy.
Healthy no, effective yes. I got that figured out during this small DNP test.
T3 have gotten a bad rep as being able to screw with your thyroid, but studies actually found that the thyroid gets back to normal in a matter of days for most people.
Looking at the numbers from the 30's, "only" 9 people died out of the estimated 100.000 people who took the stuff. That's safer than most meds actually :-/
But a lot of women got cataracts with lead to it being pulled from the market. Later Duchaine suggested that it was due to build up of free radicals and vitamin C deficiency.
But if you are only looking for healthy supplements and protein shakes, then maybe you are on the wrong website :-)
lol seriously I'm done, i told u and other have as well. u sound like an amature who should not be messing ariund w/ these kind of drugs. go head mess ur self up. everyone told u its a stupid cycle. i ll let u figure out why. btw i dont need to use that DNP garbage, im already down in the bf% and i didnt use t3 or dnp but good luck w/ ur bf. peace out
so you will let me figure that out?? Well i'm guessing it's because you basically don't know anything about it.. And others "told" me, however without anything reasonable to say, so of course they are correct since they can't explain anything about why they comment as they do.. (except for a few good posters now, luckily)
Some try DNP and others don't. In these forums a little bit more than an average gym rat. I'm not calling you stupid because you don't use DNP, T3 and other stuff. So who are you to judge me? Respect to you that you can manage keeping a good shape without chemicals. If you posted you non-chemical workout routine i would never just call it stupid and not say why.. (probably not even call it stupid.. just ask why you do this and do that..)
If you had anything productive to share in this thread, questions like, why go to something extreme as DNP, how did i do a check on my body all the time to be as careful as possible, where did i find the articles about the stuff, etc...
However i do thank you for leaving the thread. then something good did come out of it :-)
Unfortunately I was one those that the thyroid didn't go back to normal. I ended up with an irregular heartbeat, lost 5 stone in a year and had my heart stopped and restarted in my early thirties. I now have to take T4 for life as I had to have a thyroidectomy.
The suspected number of casualties from DNP is believed to be considerably higher than published. I worked for the Medical Research Council as an immunologist for several years.
My point being be very careful with these drugs, they represent a whole new level of risk taking.
wow I wonder why I never heard your story before. EWhat happened? WHat was your dosing like? You cycle?
Are you talking about t-3 or dnp that fucked you up bro?
I'm sorry that happened to you!
Shit happens bro, plenty worse off than me lol! All under control now, it's not perfect but I'm fine. T3 and T4 use in my case, I used to use it to hit weight category in martial arts. If I'm honest, a weight category that was too low!!!!
I just hope my experience makes others think twice.
WWOW, never heard this story before. So your metabolism was caught in high drive!
I have been a slow fatty my whole life. I would say I have a great metabolism I cant eat 1500 cal a day and be fat.
I have been experimenting with t-3 while on cycle. High dose 75gmg/day. I'm doing a 5 week pyramid mid test deca cycle.
I am defintly getting t-3 bloods done 2-3 weeks after I my last dose. Monitoring all my shit as best I can.
Its crazy I have read guys use 250-500 t-4 meng.
I'm sory about your situation. DID you know about a Hyper drive metabolism as being a possible side? I actually did not read about that in my studies. Only metaboltic sloew down or cease. I knew mine was slow so I weighed the positive ve negative.
Thanks for your story bro
You did make me think twice bro. Thanks..
Do you remember what dosage you ran? And how long you were on it before it started to mess up the thyroid gland?
I used 50mcg of T4 ed when it went wrong. That's not a high dose when you think now that I have no thyroid I take 200mcg ed to keep me in a euthyroid state. I knew something went wrong as I kept losing weight, although I was eating like a complete pig. I ended up having a T4 count 173. The normal range is between 11 & 22. My metabolism was effectively running at 10-12 times what it should have been.
Sorry to hear that bro. That sucks with your thyroids. Hope that it has become manageable.
I agree with the number of casualties is higher. I've found a few articles about people dying from it in the last couple of decades. But from the 30's however I couldn't find any higher number :-/
Probably the number is higher, but it's hard to say. I know how numbers are misleading to the public. I wrote my bachelor thesis about amphetamine when studying biomedicine.
One thing is for sure.. DNP is NOT for everybody! (of course when it comes to competitions, I don't think people are skipping it)
It took me many years before I dared to try it. I'm no expert on DNP, but i sure did learn to listen to my body before trying something crazy like this. I'm not advising anybody to take this stuff, but just sharing my experience. Funny how wiseguys popup and say "this sounds stupid" without any reason to why they think this. (This makes me think they don't know anything about it, and just tries to sound smart).. Stupid f**cks...
If someone came to me like you and said, id tried T3, and my thyroid stopped working, i sure as hell would listen to it, and probably wait a long time before daring to try something like that. (well i sure as heck aren't going to take it any time soon, before i have read more articles about it now. knowledge is power, but it isn't everything).. Knowing myself i'm going to be obsessed now with trying to find a reason for why some people react like you did. :-)
Thanks for your input. It was a more intelligent heads up than what others have posted.
No bother, drop me a line if you need anything.