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4th cycle help

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cycle 1.

Testosterone Enanthate: 200mg weeks 1-4,4-10 400mg a week
pct Clomid 20mg everyotherday.

I was inexperienced and didnt know about ai. I now include Ai in all cycles and take clomid/nolvadex pct

Cycle 2.

Testosterone enanthate: 400 mg weeks 1-10
Deca 200 mg 1-10
dbol 30mg 1-4

pct clomid/nolvadex

cycle 3. was low on money so just did cycle to help keep gains/gain a little.

testosterone prob 100mg eod 1-10
dbol 30mg 1-4

cycle4.
I have Testosterone enanthate 3 10ml vials, 100 dbol 20mg ,Deca 2 10ml vials
AI. Aromasin
pct. nolvadex/clomid

my question is what dosages do you guy think i should run??? I was thinking

test e 500mg 1-12
deca 200mg 1-12
dbol 30mg
aromasin 12.5 ed or 12.5 eod what do you think about this?? not sure how much I should take..

about me:

weight 220
BF %10-15

ps I know my prior cycles were not the best. but that is why i am posting/doing more research to make this next one better.

Carlos Danger's picture

Fuck it I think it's time to bring Deca back. It gets knocked too hard nowadays. Just need to run it the right way and with the proper ancillaries. It gets bad rap like a zoo tiger who kills the trainer. All everyone talks about is the tiger but nobody talks about how the trainer abused that tiger for years.
There has never been a steroid that has been as versatile and effective as deca. I can cut with it and bulk with it. Just play with the dosages. It adds power and mass like no other. Collegen synthesis galore. Protein synthesis galore.

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Buucko's picture

What dosage should I run? what other ancillaries do i need. I have: armoasin/nolva/clomid? thanks!

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UncleYoked's picture

I always run npp a for a couple weeks after blasting tren. Very therapeutic for my joints. Just my preference.

Buucko's picture

well I thought I have aromasin but i dont.. I only have nolvadex.. would it be bad to start cycle with no aromasin since i have nolvadex on hand.. or should I just order some and wait>??? only worried about gyno.. so if i start to see it i could just take nolvadex.? what do you think?

Catalyst's picture

The fact you've even asked that question makes me think you shouldn't be running AAS. You absolutely do not start a cycle without an AI.

What does aromasin do? How would nolva help?

Reading time before you stick another pin into yourself.

Buucko's picture

Well I thought aromasin blocks estrogen/ and nolvadex can reduce it.. So I was thinking I could just run this cycle and if i feel i am getting gyno I can start taking nolvadex. But I do agree with you. I will do more research. That is why I am here trying to learn I appreciate you help!!

Broctavius's picture

The top peptide sources on here have Aromasin (i.e. Exemestane) for cheap, and the quality is great. Order a bottle you should have it soon. Nolvadex blocks the receptors in your body, and when you stop Nolva that estrogen binds where the nolva once was. Aromasin sticks to the estrogen molecules in your blood before they bind to anything, and you piss out the estrogen binded to the aromasin before it binds to the receptors in your nips.

fast48's picture

Nolva with deca raises BOTH prolactin and estro gyno. Id suggest some research if your hellbent on deca. Biggest problem right ofv the top is your prior cycles show no real research...and now your jumping in both feet into no recovery and new titties.

Buucko's picture

Yeah from research I have done I will need more Ancillaries. I have everything I need to run your cycle Smile

UncleYoked's picture

There's a big difference in your bf range. You're taking about basically 20 pounds of fat compared to 30. You can start the aromasin off at 12.5 eod but its better to run it ed especially with a dbol kicker. 30mg of dbol Ed is fine. Split that up in two doses. Nothing wrong with running deca but 200mg/week is not gonna do much. Need to run at least twice that with 500-600mg per week being more ideal. You will also need to get a prolactin inhibitor like prami or caber to run with that deca since its a 19nor compound.

fast48's picture

With only 500 test...wouldnt advise above 350/week. The rest is solid!

UncleYoked's picture

I wasnt really taking the test into account. Just talking about optimal deca levels. I shouldn't have over looked that aspect.

UncleYoked's picture

Yep totally right there. Don't want to give the poor guy deca dong.

fast48's picture

10-15% is huge change in bf for cycle advice. I'd throw the deca in trash and run eq cyp. Prop kicker.

Buucko's picture

Doing more research on this cycle. Looks good might run it instead of current cycle! thanks for help.. seems when i run deca dbol i gain a lot of muscle but water too.. and takes time to cut back down. the cycle you posted seems if i would get more lean gains? that is with good diet.

fast48's picture

Less water retention and clean mass. Bulking or cutting is always the foods but less water and bloat....just what i prefer. A watery bulker has it's place. Just depends on goals/preference. After you research...post up ideas and folks will help.

Buucko's picture

ok done the research im thinking the cycle you posted.
1-4 prop 150 eod
1-12 eq cyp 600
1-12 test e 600
13-14 prop 150 eod

or longer cycle:

1-18 Test E 600mg split dose Mondays and Thursdays
1-16 EQ 500mg split dose Mondays and Thursdays
1-4 Prop kicker 150mg EOD
17-20 Prop Taper 100mg EOD
AI- aromasin 12.5 EOD starting week 3 all the way through PCT.
Pct: Clomid 100/100/50/50 Nolva 20/20/10/10
You should take HCG also since its such a long cycle..