posted Wed, 10/10/2012 - 10:16
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building my 3rd cycle
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ok guys this will be my third cycle,its not going to be anytime soon,roughly 8months from now.here it is.
w-1-18 test e,500mgs(mon./thur.)
w-1-18 eq undec.600mgs(mon./thur.) will be frontloading with 800mgs first 2 weeks
w-1-4-test p 100mgs eod(kicker)
w-18-20-test p 125mgs eod
w-6-20-hcg 250mcg 2xw,cause i absolutely have to from passed cycle and present one.
w-2-20-aromasim 12.5mgs e3d,due to eq's low convert to estro.
letro on hand.
pct 3 days after last jab of prop.
clomid-100/100/50/50
nolva-40/40/20/20
was also thinking of running hgh at 2iu;s a day on cycle and through pct,if i run it i will use it for 6month min.
any input or changes are welcome thanks guys.
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tread-mI can get on board with Z here and looked at your stats etc, hgh would be a nice compliment (if good hgh) and will be of great help in "higher axis balance" actually allowing you to realize the full experience and benefit of the oils. As well, it will increase the recovery effort in that it in and of itself is prompting natty test reboot via positive feedback loop. So for me you run the gh at 2 iu's and thats it and then as you cruise it to next cycle you could consider a slight ramp up during next cycle to actually get more than just "balance" benefit. This is only given your age as I would have different thoughts with someone younger and same experience. The other benefit , and again age being a thought here, you will even utilize your between cycle natty test more efficiently and via the same feedback loops might event promote a little higher natty test. I'm not even entirely sure that once we approach your age and trt is at least on the horizon that low dose gh would not help strengthen and preserve natty test a bit longer via those same prompts in loop feedback.
thanks tread,i was wondering if i was gonna get shot down for wanting to run the hgh,which i will be getting from where i saw your review for it.but what you wrote makes perfect sense,i want the most i can get out of this cycle.so ill run the hgh starting 1 month before i start the cycle,run 2ius through cycle and pct.and run the run 2ius up to the next cycle and up it.would running 4ius at that point be a benefit?ill throw it out there now i have thought about it and money wise,i can swing running up to 4ius no problem i cant afford running 8ius.
zewiw-18-20-test p 125mgs eod should be 18-21.
EQ to clear and ready for you PCT is more like 24-27 days.. What you have right now is starting PCT 17 days after last EQ shot--so either extend the Test p one extra week or wait 7 more days--to start PCT.
Front loading might even be better with this tow..
1-1 test e 500mg Monday 500mg Thursday
1-1 EQ 600mg Tuesday 600mg Friday..
than do the rest of the cycle.
thanks for letting me know about that extra week at the end zewi.ill extend the prop that extra week.when i wrote this out i didnt think i would need to frontload the test e,cause i was using a prop kicker.but the eq as viking said,and ive read that either a frontload of eq or start eq 3 weeks before cycle,so it hits earlier in the cycle.
Proven better results with an EQ frontload... kicks in faster which leads to better results further into cycle,works for me every time that way... if not doing a prop kicker frontloading test E is also a good thing,i have reserves about doing both i havnt felt much benefit
I like this brother. Is it worth front loading the test e instead of using prop? If not maybe run the prop at 150 eod. As fast says drop the test e and eq to 16 weeks and run prop at 100 eod week 17-19. Give those long esters time to clear. I would run the aromasim at least eod at a dose that suits you (everybody is different with ai)
I did a very similar run recently and recovered well with a 4 week pct with aromasim but it is a long time shut down so listen to other with regard to 5 weeks pct and make up your own mind.
Good luck mate
thanks bro.yes i am writing down everything being said here,and im only frontloading the eq,not the test.and i will extend my pct if thats what is needed.i wanted to run the eq for at least 18 weeks going on everything i have read,it seems 16-18 is the sweet spot for eq.i have read on here about people running eq for 20 weeks.i just want to get the full benefit of the eq.
I ran it for 16 weeks without front loading so I figured 16 weeks with 2 weeks front loaded would be long enough but it's up to you. What are you previous cycle lengths? You are right about the eq needing time but I worry about being shut down too long. Up to you my friend. Food for thought
my first cycle last year was 12 weeks the cycle im running now will be a 12 weeker as well,running test e 1-12,testp 100mgs eod w-1-4,and testp 12-14 as a taper 100mgs eod,currently using aromasin 12.5 e3d.and i have letro and pct all ready to go.
I will be running this identical cycle for my next cycle. I will likely just do 600/600 for test and EQ tho. Looks g2g either way!
You can clip both at 16 & prop last 3 Weeks. Eq lasts so long 3 is a good reach imo. Halflife is 16days.....similar to sust in that pct with sust is 18-21 daus agter last shot. 8Weeks hcg is good imo. Eq is a Nice run!
AnonSupposed to say wk 3 on the HCG
why should i say week 3?i dont have any problems that early on,if you look around on here youll notice alot of people use it at different times,everyone here reacts differently to everything,sure there are common sides we all may get but i truly dont think there is a text book time to start hcg.there are plenty of people on here that dont even need hcg on a simple test e cycle,and then you have others like myself who absolutely need it.so no i dont think i should have said week 3.maybe for you week3 is good.
with the hcg im going on what happened to me my first cycle my nuts where fine until the test e really got kickin,and within the first week of 250mcgs 2xw my nuts where hanging to my knees.and like fast said i have read you can keep your test slightly lower then your eq,i am going for all quality lbm.i would rather stay nice and dry like fast said.plus i believe from what ive read that the hgh will put a lil bit of water on me,my reason for the hgh is i read a thread on here that made alot of since,plus it was a guru.but if im gonna raise my test levels it makes since to boost your hgh levels to.to balance out your axis.i have no intention to run the hgh any higher then 2iu's a day.thanks for all your input.like i said i want to have this cycle planned out to the t.before it even comes time to start it.
This may sound like an overly simple question but is a test cycle loads better if you run hgh with it? Is it healthier or just for gains?
and from what i read about using hgh on cycle is that you are raising test levels,but your gh levels still remain the same so by using a small dose on cycle it equals out your hormonal balance by raising your gh levels.and the article made alot of sense,and i take what i read seriously about it,it was written by tread_m,so it holds all kinds of weight in my book.i just believe its best to research everything about your cycle and keep an open mind about things.im all about keeping things simple but maximizing the results,im all for the anti-aging part of it as well im pushing 40.
Couldn't agree more. I haven't used hgh before but I think I read the same tread as you and it got me thinking. Cheers
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i will be running it with my cycle,my plan is to start the hgh 4 weeks before the start of the cycle,right through the cycle and pct.and ill be running the hgh for a min.of 6 months as i stated in the post.
Bingo! Im swithing to low test Monday after the ebc to finish leaner. Get the mass then clean it up. The hgh...i wish i could run it too! Maybe this spring
AnonShould you maybe flip flop the dosage in the test e and eq...600test and 500 eq? Also, why not start your HCG at wk instead of 6 and possibly drag out your pct a wk or so longer. bc you were shut down so long...still new to the game so these are comments/questions...other than that it looks solid! Maybe throw some IGF in if u plan on adding gh
Lower test is drier...Les androgen water retention. But if he decides for more mass and then the prop to drop water he can go 600/600 & lower test on week 14.