Newbie questions, advice greatly appreciated..
So I've been using this sight for a year and a half now I guess (It's awesome!), and recently created an account to try to educate myself a little. I was tested about 8 years ago for low test. and have consistently tested since at about 180 -220. The few different Dr.'s giving me injection's didn't know much about it at all. The 1st Dr gave 200 cc's of cyp every 3rd week, the 2nd one I asked for it to be every other week because I could feel the hormone changes between shots. After that I couldn't find a source for about a year and now for the last two years I've been giving myself 2-300cc's. (whatever I've been able to find), every 7 to 12 days depending on what I've got.. The problem is for the last 6 months at least, my body just doesn't feel right. I don't seem to be able to make normal gains in the gym and my libido is lower than normal also. Is there a certain amount of pct I should be doing to reset my levels and/or straighten out my system? Is there a small amount recommended for continuous use to offset the constant use of test? I wanna try my first cycle but I have to figure out what's going on first.. Please chyme in with any suggestions or advice on any of this.. Thanks in advance..
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So I finally had the lab done and below are the tests that are out of range. My last injection was 150cc's of test E 7 days before the test was given. I was kind of surprised by what was and wasn't out of line and I'm not quite sure what to do now.. I would really appreciate some input from you veterans and what you suggest I do re: the above questions based on my lab results. I will post the abnormalities and the testosterone so as not to bore anyone or waste anyone's additional time. I'm wondering if I should be very concerned about my LH and FSH? I ordered some Anastrozole to take in moderation in hopes to balance things out. I also was thinking about taking some Mast with Test E as a first cycle with the Anastrozole? At this time I have not injected anything test included for 35 days. If I have left something out please let me know and I will post it.
Thank You in advance
Actual
Glucose, Serum 102 Range 65-99
ALT (SGPT) 90 Range 0-44
Testosterone, Serum 373 Range 348-1197
Luteinizing Hormone(LH),SLH <0.2 Range 1.7-8.6
FSH, Serum 0.2 Range 1.5-12.4
Estradiol 22.4 Range 7.6-42.6
Part 3: 5/30/13
Ok, after having quite a bit of source problems and completing the recommended pct process, I finally have an update. Below are the updated results after following cdaddy7's pct recommendations to a tee. My questions now are:
Am I ok to start taking trt again?
Based on the new results are my levels ok with exception of low T?
Should I take the Anastrozole with the Test and if so whether or not I'm on a cycle above and beyond trt?
Actual
Glucose, Serum 95 Range 65-99
ALT (SGPT) 46 Range 0-44
Testosterone, Serum 372 Range 348-1197
Luteinizing Hormone(LH),SLH 2.8 Range 1.7-8.6
FSH, Serum 3.0 Range 1.5-12.4
Estradiol 23.3 Range 7.6-42.6
I have ready some Mast, Test P, Test E, and the Anastrozole that I was thinking of putting together a mild cycle with. What does everyone think? Different recommendation's?
Thanks in advance for all your help and insight..
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Would appreciate any of you vets' advice..
cdaddy7That LH and FSH is due to ur natty shut down....are u on or off cycle at this point? If so, how long u been on.....if not how long u been off and did u do anything for PCT....
No pct ever but bought some adex because I thought maybe i should start with that?
I was only attempting to maintain normal levels with test E by taking approximately 250cc per week. But I haven't taken an injection of anything since about Dec. 1st so I guess I've been off about 5 1/2 or 6 weeks..
shirlsguyTankdog - I read almost all the new-guy posts to get answers to my questions and I see something big missing in your posts... 250cc at what dose? How many mg per ml? I have Test-c 300 and Test-p 100 side by side. Give my missus the wrong one and boy-howdy! Also, you have me questioning myself as you are saying above that you have something for pct... what you named I was thinking of as an AI. I am going to check my basics to see if I am screwing up my plans, it might not hurt you either? Good luck
Thanks, I did mis-write that. That would be mg's per ml. I was taking approximately 200-250mg's of either cyp or E, I guess about every ten days but wasn't too religious about the intervals. I'm learning that the frequency is very important and that a lot of guys on here are much more knowledgeable than any of the dr's I've seen. I am going to follow cdaddy7's advice to see if I can reboot my system. I was only trying to maintain normal levels for so long but after reading up on here and having my own issues, I think that even doing that will require more attention than a shot from a doctor every once in a while. I'll be posting my progress as I go. Good luck!
cdaddy7Wow ok.....ummmm.....u def need to run a PCT regardless....Nolvadex and Clomid ASAP.....the Clomid will help kickstart ur natty production....at this point I would consider HCG being brought in the mix bc of the lab values and length of time off.....can u get these ancillaries or do u have them on hand?
I would have to find and order them from a source on here. Given my natural test is lacking anyway and I haven't pinned in 6 weeks what dosage/schedule of these do you recommend and when should I start the test again as I can feel the deficiency already? Thanks so much for your help..
cdaddy7You have really two options to consider.....1st is a HCG blast and run a PCT and redo ur labs and see where ur levels are or not......2nd is with ur age and if u have children then the possibility of TRT from here on out....bc at those levels I'm seeing.....ur body and livelihood is going to suffer greatly.....ur testosterone is on the bad low side and it will not get any better unless we get those numbers up.....either with the use of HCG and PCT or just cruising on TRT.....u just need to consider ur options brother.....I will do all i can to help u but u need to think about these two options
Ok, as far as children, I don't have any but was hoping to one day. (Not sure if that's what you meant?) I'm willing to try whatever so that's no problem. With the exception of when I couldn't find a source, I guess you could say I've been on TRT for about 10 years. So I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't mind and have been told that I will always have to supplement test forever if I want to feel and be normal. My goals are to find some sort of control and stability/equalization so I'm not harming myself and if possible get to a point where I can do some legit modest cycles to be where I want to be physically. So I guess 1st option and see what happens? What length and dose of the HCG, clomid, and nolva would you suggest I start with before the next lab?
cdaddy7That was my thought was to go with 1st....esp if u want kids.....I would blast at 1000ius ed for 10 days given ur history and labs....wait 3 days and run a Nolvadex/Clomid PCT for 5 weeks....
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20/10
Clomid 100/100/100/50/50
Again my recommendation on dosage is a bit aggressive but so is ur situation requiring at this point bc we are attempting to restart ur natty production to a functional level.....I'm not sure optimal will ever happen at this point but lets see....the fact u want children is why I am running it like I am....now we want to hold off about 4 weeks after this PCT to run bloodwork so that It's enough time to let levels stabilize to true numbers
Ok bro, I'm gunna track this stuff down and go for it. Thank you so much for your time and advice. To overclarify: after completing the five weeks of Nolvadex and Clomid, wait an additional four weeks. Then run the lab? And no test at all during this time right?
cdaddy7You can run it during but it will only show u the assisted levels....u want true stand alone levels after treatment.....that will b ur true natty levels
Cdaddy7 and Zewi hopefully you will chime in again. Thank you
Ok, thanks for all the input. Will start with blood testing..
cdaddy7Def need some bloodwork at this point before you go any further on this road
zewiYepers.. because it sounds like an estrogen issue
That's awesome, thank you both. I will order and test right away. For maintenance in my situation do either of you have any suggestions on a better schedule/dosage? Should I test first and gauge it on the results? Thanks again
zewiYes... But you should do test twice a week.. so let's say 200mg split it 100mg Monday 100mg Thursday.. will keep blood plasma even and stable
Bingo! Then bloods will give estro reading to dial it in
That's kinda what I've been wondering lately since reading up on eroids. Could I have a build up of estrogen? What's the best way to test my blood; do they make home kits?
Zewis completely right on possible fluctuations. Changes disturb quite badly. Privatemeds.com. Use the females screening because it's same test/estro results just less expensive $59. Anytime doing trt or cycles it's good to see your levels. Could be as simple as get good supply and use same amount or/and an ai.
I've tried to find it on that site with no luck (It redirects me to privatemeds.co.uk) and I've also emailed them a couple of times with no response. Any other ideas of where I can pick one up? I'm still a little unsure of exactly which one it is.. Alot come up on a google search. Thanks again for your help.
zewiX2
Wonder estro levels as well. Current bloods?
zewiYour blood levels are going up and down to much and not stable. I hate my phone