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why this post been deleted? can i find it somewhere else. I need this info please
(http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/organs-and-what-foods-a...)
Great info, Im doing as much research as possible before starting a cycle and this helps out a lot
Beets are the best for liver and kidneys. I juice them twice a week. they smell and taste horrible to me. When I juice them you can smell them all through the house. I try to hide the taste with apples but the taste is still profound. I just drink it as fast as I can.
AnonOkay, so it looks like you cant go wrong with "n2guard" ?
Wow thank you! I need to stop taking the Milk Thistle. Been off the D-bol for over 3 weeks. Thank you man. good stuff.
Great post thanks a lot for the info!!!
AnonGreat stuff, I guess I gotta pick up some Liv 52.
Thank you
Good stuff right here!
+1 Zewi thanks for the great post.
Great post brother. Lets not forget about off cycle also. During my off cycle I always take vitamins along with bcaa. I consume large quantities of Argine Glutamine along with a multi amino acid. I find feeding my body these supplements help me grow in the off season.
i've also read to supplement with 4g of fish oil/day when on cycle to combat cholesterol build up.
AnonDid not know that about the milk thistle. I've been taking it on and off cycle but will use the LIV 52 now. One question though, when taking the vitamins during a cycle or PCT should they be staggered throughout the day?? Example: orals early and vitamins a few hours later or vise versa. If they're taken altogether does it pose any harm to liver or kidneys?
zewiIMO you take vitamins separate form your orals.
If you are not taking orals--i take half of my vitamins in the morning the other half after workout.
Good post.. What do you think about N-Acetyl Cysteine? I have heard some mention this for liver support...
Thanks
It is great for the liver just very hard to get. In fact it is in national back order at the hospitals. Also goes by the name mucomyst. They give it to people after Tylenol overdoses to help save their liver
they have it at sprouts if you have one in your area or order on Amazon.
I have always read that milk thisle is no good for you! Especially for your liver. I know this sounds ass backwards but read this. This isn't the only article like this btw. There are hundreds.
http://www.pbiv.com/articles/milkthistle.html
Apparently milk thistle prevents the liver from doing its job which is protecting you!! I'm not trying to be difficult or go against the grain here. It's just that every time i go back to liver Protectant research , I come across just as many of these negative articles as I do positive. So does anyone have any rebuttals?
I read through it. That website sells a liver supplement that is supposed to be superior to milk thistle. Sometime in the short future I will check the local mom and pop health food store. They usually have the best information on whats BS and what companies are good. They always know the best vitamins to take. There are many scammer vitamin companies who buy poor low potency and cheap raw materials. I was told of one company that uses poor quality ethinacia that are thrown away or sold off by other more reputable vitamin companies who actually tests for potency, and throw away the poor potency products.
zewiBut yes Milk Thistle does enhanced effects of estrogen in the body---Milk Thistle is not one that you run year round.. It should only be used when on AAS and doing an Oral start a week before--and keep on 2 weeks past your Oral. than drop it..
Liv 52 is the one you take year round.
good to know, thanks zewi
Nature made has a Maximim Pack it's a six cap packet of daily vitamins. One box has 30 pkts. $18. If your here playing with the "big boys" you need to make sure you've hit your genetic limit. If your diet's not there and your not taking the basic vitamins, your not getting the most bang for your buck and might pay the piper in the long run.
these supps for liver must be taken before and after cycle but NOT during cycle.
what??? that's absolutely incorrect, where'd you hear that?
+1 brother. Great points. I need to look into other vitamins to take during or off cycle. I know a little bit, but need to freshen up after watching a video on Ronnie Coleman's vitamin regime! Haha
Great advice! I am a little new to the game (about a year) and I haven't gotten much advice on protecting my body other than a PCT. I have been taking the basic multivitamins and fish oils but nothing for liver or kidney protection. Thanks for the good advice!
If you're taking anything that's 17aa then you really need to take something for your liver. Some orals are really hard on your liver like methyl-tren and superdrol, some such as anavar are pretty easy. Either way there is still some level of damage. Methylation is what makes a lot of compounds orally active and causes the compund to be hard on your liver. It makes it much harder for the liver to break it down which is what can causes the damage. If you do a normal cycle with dbol will you end up in the hospital? Most likely no, but that doesn't mean there isn't at least a small possibility. Especially if you have an unknown issue with your liver. I have seen people end up in the hospital from taking those ridiculous oral stacks where they stack superdrol, halodrol, epi and pheraplex together at ridulous doses though.
One thing that I've found to be of great benefit, especialy on a bulking cycle, is probiotics. Whenever I start taking in a mssive amount of food, about anything above 1000 calories over maintenance for me, I tend to start getting gastrointestinal issues. For me it's serious bloating in my GI tract as my body has a hard time keeping up digenstion. This in turns leads to a massive decrease in appetite. I've found that a strong propbiotic works amazingly well to combat this. I start 2 weeks before cycle and diet change and no problems. For extra large cheat meals I also add digestive enzymes.
smallguyNow FOODs sells some good supps.
Coq10
Natural Prostate Health
Vit C & E
Digestive Enzyme
I will be using liv52 NAC and milk thistle. Is there a timeframe that I should be using these prior to starting my cycle for best protection?
zewii use them year round. at least 60 days prior.
For ultimate protection bro do as i do and take all year round... this way you know you are 100% protected at all times either using orals or oils.
I dose first thing in the morning then again last thing before bed.
That's great advivce. I follow that logic myself. Why take things that are good for you only when on cycle? Year round is the way to go.
zewiyepers.. it should become part of your diet..
good read. GREAT ADVICE.I was thinking to myself that there was never any talk about this (that I have seen anyway) and I was happy to see someone post other than " run proper pct" there are so many different aspects to consider when running AAS, and these younger guys are just pumping shit in their bodies with little to no knowledge of what these compounds do, and what precautionary measures to take to combat NOT only the short term sides (gyno etc.)but also the LONG TERM effects they have on our bodies. I was glad to see this. +1 from me! AND HEY, IT'S YOUR VITAL ORGANS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PPL. DO WHAT YOU WANT! ME? I'm protecting MY SHIT.. = )
Muscleg33kGreat thread! I'll have this bookmarked
Ive been using a 15+ pill combo - for like for ever and a day. isnt this like normal ?
liver pills - 4-6
aminos - 4
fish oil 4
Calcium 1/2 tab
Multi vit 1/2 tab
Asprin 1-2
does the animal pak count as one supplement or 11 pills?? haha: animal pak+ liv52(twice daily)+milk thistle+l-carnitine(twice daily) = 16 pills daily minimum for me
great read and I will now use liver support the whole time... I take my fish oil daily and vitamin c, ZEWI you refer to a few products, have you or anyone ever used n2guard? what are your thoughts?
zewiIt has everything you need, from what I can see what is in it, you need those things for a strong healthy body, liver, kidneys etc. I have not used it though. But I do like what’s in it.
cool thanks, now I know asking what source has it is not the right thing to do but for the sake of time. I have done my research on what I want but not who has it can you point me to who has it? you can PM me if you want I would appreciate it!!!
zewigoogle!!
thats where I went... could not find it with at least 10 sources...
zewiuse the words like need to build muscle and put them togethere with a com, and you might get to were u need to be.
AnonAhah! I see what you did there!
LOL
thanks!
zewiThanx everyone.. means a lot.