+ 8 Tren—To you young people/anyone
I am starting to get a little worried about are younger crew. They are just ready to take the plunge into using Tren (trenbolone). Either on their first cycle, or second or even third, I believe they are only reading the good things about Tren. Tren will shut you down harder than TEST without the correct cycle and Ai and PCT—you could be one fucked up dude at 21.
Is Tren the king of the world, YES it is I’m not going to say it isn’t. However, it’s not only king of the world on good effects, it is also king of the world on Side Effects. That’s why you don’t see Tren pushed on this forum. Unless you have done 10 cycles, and just about touched every compound, and understand your body, and what effects it. You are not ready for Tren.
Even if you have done 10 cycles I would still say do more research about it, (remember we are the genie pigs for this—we have no idea of the long term effects of Tren) . Because you’re going from Driving a sports car to driving a Jet. It’s that much of a change. However, a car and a Jet will get to the same place. Just one faster than the other—Faster and More is not always better.
I want are young brothers, to understand Tren can be your best friend but it also can be your worst enemy. Understand your body, If your new To AAS start with the simple Test E or C. If you already have done this then add one compound to it. And move from there.
YOU DON’T NEED TREN TO GET YOUR GOALS… YOU NEED A DIET..AND IF YOU HAVE A DIET AND YOUR ON AAS YOU STILL DON'T HAVE TO TAKE TREN TO GET YOUR GOALS
If you have questions about Tren you can PM me, if you’re thinking about taking it and want more info or you want to talk to someone who has taken it and if you’re looking for guidance please PM me.
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I have done many cycles and still get good results with using only testosterone. Those that think they need every other aas compound to reach their goals probably need to make lifestyle changes. Unless your goal is to be Mr.Olympia, the only aas you need is test. Just my 2 cents.
Nice to see someone taking a good sensible steady approach to AAS usage +3 brother..great attitude
zewiI couldn't agree more +1 from me
No +3 to you, for all the hard work and great attitude.
Be my friend brother:)
ACCEPTED!..:)
Nandrolone, masteron, primobolan, equipoise , different ester combinations. Different test runs. All necessary to gauge your body's response to AAS. You can make amazing gains with the simplest of cycles. I like to think tren is for when you've been at it a while, you have been on top of your game a long time (diet, training, cycling) and you've reached that point where you're just not quite gaining the same way or ready for something new. Then you can truly appreciate the effects of tren!
Excellent post Zewi! I think you , P ,GS and Cdaddy need your own section. Lol. You guys are rippin and tearin!
Okay so I'm not going to touch tren for along while. The worst thing I hated about it was killed my cardio .. I'm planning another cycle and got most stuff ordered so I'll look into other esters ..not rushing .. thanks.
Wish I knew this bfor my first cycle. I also listened to the local gym gear head he had me run test e with tren e .. for 6 weeks.. along with no ai or pct.. me thinking he knows everything just cuz he's all big and ppl say he's the man !!. But he was jus big an dumb.. so that was my first cycle.. had sum tren sides but not crazy like my work out partner was.. so I gained strength an lean mass but it dropped in about 4 weeks.. it was all gone.... so me telling yall this comes to my question.. since I ran the strongest one already Is it going to make me feel like everything else is junk and weak ??
Well said brother+1
amazing post brother +1
Good post Zewi.
I particularly liked your comment about being guinea pigs for tren, this is so true. Did my first cycle over 10 years ago and only now are we really getting to know some of the compounds I pinned in my backside then. Tren is a more serious AAS then any of those. Patience comes with age, which i guess is why some of the younger guys are in such a rush to shoot tren.
Take your time, safety first.
UFOWish I had bros like you when I first started cycling. Instead, for a second cycle I ran tren ace 100mg eod for almost 4 months. I couldnt understand at the time why I was turning into a crazy paranoid weirdo especially with my girl...
cdaddy7Holy Shit bro what overkill!!
UFOYep..sad thing is was this was the recommended cycle given to me by a gear "vet" I knew locally. Never taught me about AI's or PCT either. Fucker
cdaddy7Good news youre amongst family now and it won't happen again if you let us help always my man
zewiyes he is.
This should be top stickie. Straightforward and true.
56tooVery well put Zewi, very well put. Plus 1 bro
Wouldn't deca shut you down just about as hard as tren?.. Not asking this to make an excuse for those who have done deca but I see a lot of ppl saying deca is a good 2nd cycle steroid and with it being a 19nor also that doesn't sound as great as many make it out to be for newbies..
cdaddy7Z is right and also u see a lot of us opting for guys to use Equipoise instead in early cycles. It's all about researching and knowing the compound r compounds in ur body a lot of guys see two sentences r a big ratio without finishing the profile and off to self-destruction they go. It's true that bc of lack of knowledge ppl perish. That's y we stress RESEARCH so hard. So you know all the pros and cons before the first oral or injection is administered, not afterwards, which always seems to be the case
It's funny years ago I tried deca and never heard of EQ and now I'm throwing EQ into the next cycle and throwing deca out.. I feel as though I'm starting somewhat backwards.. Thank god I didn't start out with anything harsher tho.. I will say if you get bunk caber or underdosed 19nors can be bastards.
You will enjoy the EQ bro it gives a lot leaner drier gains than deca... also dont have to worry about aromatase problems either... test and deca is a magical cocktail but the aromatising ratio is f-ing horrible sometimes, never had a single problem from EQ even at insane dosages.
EQ is a fixture in my AAS future. When I first ran it back a few years ago I only ran it for 10wks. I wasn't impressed. But this time around I'm running it double that and WOW! What a difference the EQ has made to my physique my cardio and my BF. I think that the gains from it are some of the cleanest most dense muscle gains I've ever made. I remember when I first decided to
Give EQ another chance 5 months ago and it was after a post u made about how u loved it. Then a PM from you sealed the deal. I'm glad I have a Sensei like u brother. My life my body my goals are all so close to being where I want them to be. Everybody should listen to eery single word you speak. Even the most offhand comment u make has years of experience to back it up and the results are proven. Don't get me wrong I love Tren and it's recomp properties. But patience is a virtue and being too greedy will shorten my AAS lifespan. I want to do this as long as I'm healthy. That's my .02¢
Well said, you guys are really making me look forward to EQ instead of this other crap.. Eq should be ran longer yes? 20 weeks sounds harsh for me tho.. At the very least how long do you guys prefer Eq?
16wks minimum. That's the only downside IMO. But the gains are clean and dense and soooo dry. My skin is so tight bro I've got veins on top of veins. Lifechanging bro. It's even made my lovelier with my wife of 13 yrs 10x better. Anyone who has been with someone that long knows te romance fizzles from time to time. She is constantly rubbing her hands over me. It's been awesome bro
Very least would be 14 weeks bro 16 would be better!... for more exp guys the optimal run is the magic 20!
When you are ready we can talk dosage re/goals.
cdaddy714 week minimum.......look here's very simple cycle that will yield u quality gains u seek:
Week 1-16 TEST E or Cyp @ 500mg/wk split doses
Week 1-14 EQ @ 400mg/wk split doses
AI your choice on deck. Arimidix or aromisin (adex .25mg EOD--ar 12.5mg)
Start PCT 15 days after last shot
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Very simple but yet very effective in getting you where you want to be with your goal and with quality gains. And my doses are conservative side always
I'm tempted to do 20 weeks but the most i've done is 14 and I'd be a lil wary of the prolonged shut down.. Def gonna research a lot more on it.. Got plentyyy of time before I do anything
cdaddy7Very wise choice and in other wise choices...Viking has extended his hand to help you bro....Take it.....And learn why he's The Man, The Myth, The Legend VIKING as Zewi says and I agree
Yes I'm looking forward to it.. I've never been in a rush, usually a 1 cycle a year kinda guy.. My last experience with deca the caber wasn't up to par and I had to run letro while being sick as a dog so 2x sore joints plus the fever (not fun).. I'm not turned off from deca I just now understand how touchy it can be (either a great exp or a bad one no in between) .. Eq sounds more easy going which is more of my taste any ways.. Eventually I'll try tren of course but I don't see that any time soon, no rush.
cdaddy7It's def a different world out there now big poppa Viking. Deca/Test was bread and butter and so were other lifting exercises which are now contraindicated. It's the same thing. Much more variety and availability of quality compounds in a positive aspect to choose from then i had available in my younger years
Yep!... remember pronabol caps bro.. they were the only oral i could get hold of years ago... they looked so innocent i used to take about 10/12 pr day with about 30 desicatted liver tabs and blew up like the michelin man lol..talk about moon face lol... wish i had this knowledge back then bro... even now we give it freely and loads of dummies dont seem to want it!
cdaddy7Just the thought of them again makes my liver hurt!!! I bet someone in a ugl has them cloned and marketing them to guys who know no better. I am not a fan of those prohormones or prosteroids as well. I have watched many of young guys jack their bodies and livers up just tryn to get big. Truly sad
Yeah the site I was buying protein from has spammed me with PH sales, PH's are still a huge thing nowa days.. And a lot of the guys where I'm from are all about the oral only cycle.. I keep telling them about cysts, jaundice etc.. and they don't seem to care.. And these are big guys who diet right whom I could see cycling and being ok BUT they are more afraid of a needle than shitting out their liver T-T
cdaddy7And y run a complex compound as opposed to a more simple on that if u diet and train rite it can give u the "like" effect without putting your body thru such unnecessary stress. It's just planning smart and avoiding the pitfalls of a crash and burn cycle
I was always told it was less sides than others.. But it's a nasty bitch if you don't have the right stuff for it.. I do like deca don't get me wrong but I feel like an entire deca cycle hinges on did you get bunk/underdosed caber? And that's not something I'd like to play with since it effects your heart valve.. can't just up the dose if you think it's underdosed, ya know? That seems more dangerous to play with than a underdosed AI or serm.. It's your heart ffs.. Just another thing i think ppl should take into consideration before touching any 19nor.. Glad I found this site, eq should be less worrisome.
cdaddy7I had a very bad experience with deca on my virgin run mainly bc i was too young and had no idea what I was doin. I shut my nuts down and activated mild gyno bc of ignorance. I was only 17. I tried years later to give it another try but i started with the sides. U see there was no dostinex or caber as u call it nor was there AIs on the scene just nolvadex and Clomid. That's my point, you have troubles with deca and then u have to introduce another harsh compound in ur body to off set the issues. It's like saying two wrongs make a right. If you are not a professional bb or athlete that would need such a compound to give them the edge then y do that to ur body. IMO It's unwarranted to the available options. Stick with simple and yes it takes a little longer but in the end you will have your goals and your health and be glad u made that right. Nothing is free, using gear just maximizes your potential without proper nutrition an training it will not do u any good. I know plenty of older gentlemen on TRT and their physique doesn't respect bc they don't diet r exercise. So u see my point?
Oh yeah I completely agree.. The more compounds you need the more room there is for fuck ups.. More chances for bunk and underdosed.. More chances for more sides.. On and on and on. I will say I did feel more of a shut down this last round, I'm assuming the prolactin build up.. Just don't want to worry about to many things, we wanna enjoy the cycle.. I'm happy at this pace, I can take a month off from the gym come back (as long as diet is maintained) and be right back where I was in a week, just to point out diet is very crucial for me too.. If I take just 2 weeks off and stop getting as many calories maybe have a few drinks in it takes MUUUCH longer to get back into shape for me at least.
zewiany AAS will shut you down. Tren just has that extra push.
I know they all do I meant doesn't deca also give you an extra push compared to test and other supps
And this is why I ran a simple test e 10 week cycle a few months ago, I got the advice from people on this forum and read a lot of stuff provided by you Viking and many other people critiquing people's cycles.
Too many people are starting to come on and just hop on the sources and buy tren or throw in deca in there first cycle, there's just no need.
Me and suze were in the gym as usual sunday morning, these two pricks about 23/24 yrs old who we dont know or have never seen before were watching her benching 95K thats just over 200lbs in real money lol... after the last couple of forced reps we sat on the end of the bench taking onboard water and these two fucks stroll up to us and without any other words spoken just ask us outright if we can get them some tren and winny! she looked at me with a OHH FUCK dont smash him in the mouth look and buried her face in a towel... being the gentleman that i am i thought ok not in front of a lady and asked these two pricks to meet me in the toilets downstairs... these two smiled and set off for the bogs thinking i was probably going to sort them out with some gear!... i walked in the bog gripped the taller one around the windpipe and smashed his head into the mirror the other fool just legged it at this stage so i had no more work to do lol... i didnt bother about trying to tell him any facts about aas he just got told to fuck off and never come back near this gym ever again or i would remove his fucking spine... NOTHING in the world pisses me off more than being singled out in a gym and asked for gear from dicks who clearly have not got the first clue of what they are dealing with... believe me i am a lot more sociable on eroids than i am in real life were gear is concerned.
DAMN!! Thats straight up gangsta! Lol
Ahahahahahaha!!!! I love it brother:-) Wish I could've seen that.
UFOHa wow...So you are def on a heavy tren cycle. Hahah. But seriously..no offense but what did you accomplish with that? Those 2 jackasses now have 0 idea of why you tweaked on them and smashed ones head into a mirror and they damn sure arent thinking afterwards, you know what man I think he was pissed about us asking for tren and gear maybe we should do some research since we lack the knowledge. What do you expect brother? You are a jacked mofo who is in the same gym and is obviously running gear and they are young bucks looking to get swole. Maybe a little explanation as to why they should not blast tren at that age or ask people in public about gear would have helped them in the long run a bit more, LOL. Just my opinion I guess but that is the kind of schooling and knowledge I could have used back when I first found out about tren. But instead I had no help and wound up running tren at age 22 for 3-4 months straight.
BUT with all that said I guess I can understand its a little different in person then here on eroids. This is what eroids is for and ur just in the gym with your girl trying to lift and got kids rolling up like your the local sales man. Guess its also a compliment bro, you and your girl look so good that people just know you got the good gear!!
A better approach with maybe an introduction would have me look at them differently bro... hitting me straight out with "can you get me tren and winny" is not the way to spoken too!... you know from my attitude on here i am a helper!.. but there are certain ways and means of asking... unfortunatly they pushed the wrong button... young english bucks think they can talk to people any way they want... i disagreed.
UFOLOL yea I honestly was waiting for a JK the whole time just from how composed and patient you are on here. True, I guess I wouldnt react too kindly to the first words coming out of a strangers mouth being get me tren. Oh well was a good laugh either way. But now I am going to stop disagreeing with you for fear of my heart being ripped out and eaten.
56tooYou would've made a great drinking partner back in the day brother!
zewiI love you Viking the man the myth the legend has spoken (no homo)..
hope everyone reads this. great post zewi +1 from me brother !!