I took the plunge and got the worst insomnia/night sweats. Got rocked up but not worth it to me...just had to try it once...i only ran 250mg per week with 450 mg of test...I got real strong.

i think it varies from person to person. i agree it's safe and conservative for vets to warn new users to hold off and not rush into it, however, each person learns differently and has a different personality. at the end of the day, you can't entirely rely on people from the internet (no matter how helpful and knowledgeable they are) to make important decisions for you, just use the information you have at hand and make the decision yourself.

Wow.So much to learn.I will come back to this when tren comes about in the future.

Whenever you think you are ready bro!!! Sides are not bad just a lil sweat and insomnia. Your strength will be Monstrous!! Make sure you run some test with your TREN. You don't want to end up like willylumplump. Update us on your results when you decide to throw this in the mix bro!!! I LOVE the stuff!!! I look forward to the sides and of course the EXTREME results you get.

Whenever you think you are ready bro!!! Sides are not bad just a lil sweat and insomnia. Your strength will be Monstrous!! Make sure you run some test with your TREN. You don't want to end up like willylumplump. Update us on your results when you decide to throw this in the mix bro!!! I LOVE the stuff!!! I look forward to the sides and of course the EXTREME results you get.

once everything eles stops working

Once you have utilized all of the compounds other than tren to its full capacity, your ready. I just recently took the tren plunge and I am relatively happy with it for just 4 weeks. For some the sides are terrible, for others there aren't any. I would not jump frm test to tren. Play with deca and some orals in future cycles.

I would say as soon as you know what you respond best to out of the spread of other aas'. Find which compound works the best for you then master that compound by running it solo at various dosages. After that add in tren a to the next run. You'll know exactly how you'll react to the base compound you're on so you will be able to start low with the tren and work up. This will allow you to specifically identify the effects the tren is having and you will therefore be able to modulate to gains vs. sides. So ultimately in my opinion its not a specific time or number of cycles but when you get everything else in the cycle completely polished.

Honestly im not giving you advice, but I ran tren E @400/wk and, ive never looked better, ran it for 8 weeks twice and it completely recomp'd my body. Stayed a good 220 through the entire cycle. Strength was through the roof, went from 315x2 to 335x6 in two months on bench, and I only mention that as most my other lifts were flying up so high it was hard to keep track, and the second 8 weeker I was coming off a broken hand (boxers fracture). Little to no sides, even shedding although I did have some but attribute it to test. Kidneys were sore in the mornings although I was pounding water, waited 3 weeks to get bloodwork done and everything was slightly elevated so I've been off for about 5 months. Other than that nothing extreme, atleast for me, and I sweat like a hooker in confession all day and night anyway so that also may have been an un-noticed increase.

Edit- Psychological effects however, didnt even think about this when posting, I was much more intense and focused, boisterous even, but who wouldnt be at 220 8-9%? However I feel and got feedback from several ladies I was frequenting at the time that I was such a "nice guy". That part for me is more mind over matter and constantly reminding yourself that its the tren talking when you want to just burn bridges and f-ck the world. lol. Also lost motivation to do a lot of things, just mostly slothed through the day, then slammed some neurocore/jack3d/whateverpwoenergyboost at the gym, waited 15-20, then started my lifts, however by the end of the workout I didnt want to stop, go figure.

IMO you should have a good number of cycles under your belt and should have run most other compounds. You're looking for any minuscule changes or sides. You'll definitely want to give a Deca/test cycle a whirl first. Deca like tren is a 19nor. Gauge the sides. Get a feel for it. Then the DHTs. EQ, primo, Masteron etc. it's fairly easy to get a cycle together that will give similar effects to tren. The biggest difference with tren is it blows ALL others out of the water in terms of strength gains (except Halo) and improves feed efficiency in cattle as well as ppl. Meaning your diet ca be a little off and the tren will utilize what calories you give it to make gains. I'm not telling anyone to eat like shit. Just pointing out one of its amazing qualities. But anyway, get a feel for the others. Run a long ester cycle with Deca. Run NPP. Run some mast (not all at once. Lol). Gauge your bodies response and sides. You'll know when you're ready.

I have a fair amount of experience with tren even though by conventional wisdom I shouldn't. The bottom line is you don't know how your going to react until you do it. Its obviously a very powerful aas and the sides are common knowledge. I would only caution you about one predisposition as it has affected me and that is your blood pressure. Even off cycle now I have an elevated heart rate and my blood pressure has also been negatively affected. But in all fairness any number of aas will do this, but tren is by far not to played with unless your ready to accept the consequences.

ive run tren before at lower doses but this time i increased the dose along with a high test dose and my wife was ready to leave me...I also feel major anxiety most of time..I cut my tren dose in half and feel like a new man..

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I'll just throw a few quick points. Tren will shut you down hard...especially if you take the plunge without proper research. Being a powerful progestin it will shut down natural testosterone production with even a relatively small dose and keep the testosterone level suppressed for an extended period of time, this can lower libido and cause erectile dysfunction....It must be obviously be run with Test. The key to running Tren successfully is mastery in ancillaries and truly understanding how your body is reacting to the compound which is why cycle experience is a must. Tren has a binding affinity to the progesterone receptor this will cause progestentic sides in sensitive which will be seen as bloat and breast enlargement. Letrzole can lower progesterone levels and should be on hand combat any progestenic sides. Also tren being a 19-Nor compound will increase prolactin levels so cabergoline should be run at a low dose along with tren or at least be on hand. Another way to combat prolactin from being too high is understanding the fact it lowers your thyroid level which increases prolactin so a useful arsenal is using T3 at a low dose during your tren use. One last note that most already know but I'll mention is running tren isn't good at all if you are in any activity that relies on cardiovascular fitness because your endurance will be lowered drastically! I heard before of "MMA fighters" and other sport athletes complaining how they can't train and don't know why when it's obviously the tren they're running with inexperience yet they think it's a great compound since they heard about it increasing strength/power and the hardening/cutting effect. With this being said Tren is a very powerful compound and can be a very productive compound when used correctly and can produce huge strength/muscle gains. Being such a mass builder, hardening agent, increasing IGF-1 double-fold in muscle tissue/ the rate of glycogen replenishment/nitrogen retention, and having an anabolic score of 500! Means tren can significantly be a "game changer"...the catch is when used properly!