ANAVAR 20mg caps + EQ 300mg + Test ENANTHATE 250mg: need a PCT and pinning schedule please
Hi guys,
Looking to run what is essentially my first cycle (first cycle was 7 years ago Winny only for 8 weeks).
I am 32 155lbs and 5ft6'.
Goal: lean muscle mass and increase athletic performance in football and basketball competition - strength, recovery and endurance gains with controlled weight gain (not bulking - I need to stay quick and agile).
Can someone please help me design a safe cycle - prescribing weekly and daily dosage of each compound plus a pinning schedule. I understand Test E and EQ can be mixed and pinned together, I assume EQ will need to run for at least 12 weeks to see decent gains. I want to know when to start Anavar and Test E.
PCT
Also - the PCT on this I can see is Clomid and Novladex. Do you think I need HCG on this cycle - cos if I do $$$ will delay me past my upcoming playing season. Please let me know if you think HCG is necessary and if Nova and Clomid are sufficient given my compounds. Also, what dosages should I take... I assume I start PCT 3 weeks after my last injection?
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cdaddy7My bad bro I gave bad advice on the lack of thoroughly reading your post as you can see my boys called me out on my shit. I'll take it like a man . I misread the post. I second GS and Irish u should be on Test only at this point and use the advice GS gave below
zewiIt happens when your on all day given advice. No worries here. +1 for manning up
cdaddy7Thanks my man
Been there before...write up a baddass layout....didn't see first run. Oops. Yours was a tight layout though!
No worries cdaddy7 - appreciate the feedback regardless... I'll hit you up for my 2nd or 3rd cycle haha
IMO you should be doing a simple Test cycle. Playing season? Bro ur 32 years old, what are u still playing? Adding 2 other compounds to a body full of clean receptors is just too much too soon. Also the comment about $$$ will slow you down, that right there scares me. No offense but bro HCG is extremely cheap some places I know only cost 14$ a 5000iu vial. Add shipping and fees and maybe ur spending 30-40$ brother at 32 that kind of money shouldn't slow you down. What is ur diet looking like?Training? Test E/Cyp 600mg/wk split Wednesday and Sunday 300mg each injection for 12 wks.
AI support on cyle either Aromasin or Adex. HCG 500iu/wk split into 2 injection 250iu each injection. Discontinue with last Test inj.
PCT Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20 begin PCT 2 wks after last injection
Diet?
My diet will be protein protein protein - going to cut out lots of fat - I eat well but I'm not fat sensistive right now - that will change on cycle. But going to carb up hard during breakfast and lunch only. No carbs after 6pm.
As for training?
Training will consist of upper body lifting 4 days per week and a plyometric 12 week program for core and lower extremity explosion - it is a grueling 12 week program which will shave a couple seconds hopefully off my full court sprint routines and add to my ever diminishing standing and running verticals.
I also mentioned previously I ruptured my achilles 14 months ago - I am back 100% - rehabbed like a MOFO and still doing daily exercises. But my calf muscle is still not the original size - I will be loading up on legs to get my base strong again and prevent my other achilles from any posssible rupture.
Looking good is secondary.... I'm assuming I'll look good as a symptom of my routine.
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lol I play basketball (and football occasionally). I know I'm a sad case if you look at it from afar. But I get a high from competitive sports that I am yet to find/replace elsewhere in my life. Only the birth of my daughter can match my love for competitive basketball. Sounds stupid I know - but I swear its true.
I'm with the peeps here - going to isolate it to Test E only.
Then next year I'll try EQ with the Test - depending on my results.
I figured it was something like that. My lil homie is 27-28 and he plays on a semi pro football team. He is exactly like what u are saying.
When ur ready ir going to love EQ. It's great for rbc ur endurance will go up for aure
cdaddy7Yes. I can TestEQ right off the bat and an AI I recommend after week 1 (a-dex or arom)
Week 1-12 500mg/ week split dose (pin 250mg x twice a week)
Week 1-12 400mg/week split as above and u can mix them
Week 2-12start with the 50mg of anavar daily and tweak it up a little if need to bc most ppl say it works best between 60-100mg. I always go low and work up but thats me.
PCT 2weeks after last test e injection start:
Nolva 40/40/20/20/10
Clomid 300 x 3 days then drop to 100/100/50/50/10
the 5th week is my optional spin i put in the mix to cover the whole estro rebound
By the way I dont care much for anavar over 6-8 weeks but if you keep it low I think u can pull it at 8weeks and make sure its at the end of the cycle because its a good cutter
Running var past six Weeks? Better get liver support.
Anavar is perfect for your goals. It gives fantastic strength gains and you will get quick recovery with that and the test. Also Anavar is good for healthy joints it increases collagen synthesis.
You said you did not want to "hulk out" well to be honest I ran test var EQ and got SWOLE no lie. EQ is known for lean gains but it is still possible to hold water on it. Leave EQ for later cycle
Another thing, test tends to lean me out I can eat ice cream every day on test and still hold a 6-pack lol. Second I stop test the 6pack disappears. When I eat perfect diet with test I get pretty ripped.
That's just icing on the cake my man. If I look good while competing at a high level in ball again - my marriage will only benefit hahaha
Perfect - thanks bro. Do you play sports... did getting swollen affect your game - or are you a bodybuilder first?
I played ball in highschool but I like to focus on bodybuilding now. I'm not gonna lie EQ helps with cardio moreso than testosterone, but stick with test first and use EQ next cycle. You can gain weight with test alone so taking other steroids is kind of a waste 1st cycle since the extra steroids will not always equal more gains than test alone.
By swole I mean my shirts fit so tight that the armholes were tearing on some of my smaller sized shirts. Basically I got super yoked from the test/eq everyone was accusing me of being on steroids. Test alone will pack muscle as well, but it can have a good fat burning effect as well.
Testosterone will increase your athletic performance yes
Zewi has designed your perfect first cycle, keep the the Var & EQ for another cycle.
HCG not technically a necessity, some do some don't. Helps when they boys downstairs shrink to pea size. I always have on hand in case, but I don't tend to use it unless I need to.
Good luck with your first cycle mate. Train hard, eat well and you'll do great on Test E alone.
Agreed SDM - will prescribe zewi's suggestion.
HCG seems like such a hassle and its an extra pin which I want to avoid. But will purchase Nova/Clomid/Armidex and HCG together to have it on hand. Thanks!
Also get some arimidex to take at 0.25mg every 3 days during the whole 12 weeks.
Start PCT at week 14 clomid at 50mg per day for 20-30 days. You can also take 20mg nolvadex for first 2 weeks of pct.
First cycle is test only so that you know how it reacts and what to do. Running multiple compounds will make you guess whats mesding with your body. As far as fast/agile....test only will boost on a lot of muscle weight. Staying cut/lean is by food and exercise...not chemicals.
So what is your plans? I read the paragraph up there already. Why juice?
I am undersized at my sports man - I'm a prideful stubborn as fuck competitor. I had great gains athletically on my Winny experiment a few years ago - trained longer (weights and aerobically) and my game had me running rings on the comp. Since then age is catching up a little and I ruptured my achilles tendon 14 months ago.
I want my explosiveness back and some. In terms of ageing and ear and tear, I can't lift as much as I used to, recovery is slower and I can't match up physically anymore like I used to. I'm a gym rat, I also eat pretty well - balanced diet with no junk food and plenty of lean protein. I honestly think athletically I have reached my genetic limits.
My goal? To add more strength and to be able to train longer with less recovery time and build lean muscle that keeps me agile (not hulking).
Hence I thought Anavar would be good to stack with my cycle.
You guys are right - TEST ONLY - is the smartest way to go (I think that is a consistent message I get from credible forums). I will do that first and then think about mixing in other stuff... its just that I'm not sure Test will help me athletically - unless I'm wrong?
When you were younger and had gains and ran circles around folks.....that was natty test. As we age it drops and recovery of course takes more time. If you don't want the heavy bulk but just want that fast recovery you can run test lower. You goals are different that the lifters. You can get the recovery values at 300-400/wk. Instead of gaining 12-15 lbs in 12Weeks it maybe more likr 8-10. Clean foods like chicken, fish and veggies will keep it lean.
zewiNova and clomid are enough. I don't think you need Anavar but that up to you. Her you go eat more food diet is key.
1-12 test e @ 500mg a week split 250mg Monday thrusday
Pct start 15 days after
Clmoid 100/100/50/50
Nova 40/40/20/20
You also need an AI on hand arimidex is foot @ .25 mg e3d if nipples get sore make it .5 mg e3d
This is your first cycle that winny only doesn't count. One compound at a time
zewi: just to clarify each dose you have for my PCT below is EACH DAY right? Not per week?
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nova 40/40/20/20
So zewi - no need for HCG on this cycle? What will happen to my nuts?
Also - with the Armidex - when to I take it - PCT or during cycle or as needed depending on gyno symptoms - wasn't sure from your last post.
This sounds good for a first cycle man - thank you. Its also simple for me to track dosage and pinning. I'll leave EQ for my next one Thank you zewi. Also - how long should I spennd OFF-CYCLE. Is there a rule of thumb?
Zewi has you fully lined up! Time on + pct = time off. 12 +4 =16 Weeks off. Test kick in around week 5 to where energy/recovery is a snap. Eat well n grow. High protein!! 2.5grams per lb of bodyweight
I would say leave the EQ for a later cycle.
Run the Testosterone at 400-500mg per week for 12 weeks.
Run the Anavar around 40mg per day from weeks 7-12 weeks. (last 6 weeks of cycle)
then next cycle run the same but up test to 600mg, var to 60mg and EQ at 500mgper week for 14 weeks
Thanks J223...PCT for this setup?