6 1/2 weeks into my cycle. WTF is going on??
OK..I'm starting to panic. Here is my cycle and stats.
600mg/week test e 1-14
500mg/week of EQ. 1-14
Dbol 37.5mg ED 1-5
weight: 239
age: 43
3,000cals/day and at least 300grams protein/day
This is my 4th cycle ever.
Both oils are Optimal/AB gear purchased around Oct 2011. the Dbol is from another source.
I am currently 6 1/2 weks into cycle. I got some great gains from the Dbol but stopped the Dbol right at 5 weeks. This was my first time running Dbol and EQ. I ran some Aromasin 12.5mg/EOD with the Dbol.
Problem #1: Libido. I have none. I could give a fuck about banging my wife. I should be raging right now. My Libido was slightly above avergae on the Dbol but has since completely disappeared. I tried some aromasin at 12.5mg ED for almost a week and still nothing. I've been off the Aromasin for about 3 days now. I have never had a libido problem during my last 3 cycles.
Problem #2: I'm also not packing on any weight anymore. No bloat whatsoever. Strength might be tapering off but I'll know for sure with this weeks workouts.
I've read about the "Dbol crash" after you stop taking it but the loss of all libido troubles me.
Next week I have an app't with the Doc and I'm gonna request bloodwork to see wtf is going on. I want to make sure I'm not injecting just oil. But I'm starting to think I might. But so many people (albeit not all) swear by Optimals gear...I'm at a loss.
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AnonWell blood looks good but you should get a full hormone panel to be sure. toss in a complete metabolic panel in there as well. Check your Vit D levels.
How is your diet and sleep?
Yeah..I had a full workup..but I didn't want to hammer the nurse over the phone for every test result.I Have an ap't on Monday..and I'll get a copy of all the results.
Bloodwork is in! I won't have a copy till Monday but here are some important numbers the nurse gave me over the phone. Blood was drawn 7 weeks into my cycle...
Total Test= 1964
Free Test = 656
SHBG = 6
Estradiol = was" normal"
With those numbers my Libido should have been through the roof....and to this day it still isn't. Going to see the doc on Monday to discuss and hopefully get some answers. I will post pics of the lab work when I get it.
At least I know A) The gear is G2G and B) my AI was working...
Blood drawn a couple of days ago..results any day now. Libido still lacking but the Test E must be real...making significant strength gains....hit some PR's ...blasted a strict 275x10 on incline press..felt awesome.
I have a feeling that I don't have my estro under control...I think my first time use of Dbol at 37.5/day for 5 weeks really threw me out of whack.
I'll post bloodwork results ASAP when I get them...
Gonna bump the calories immediatley....
I was getting solid morning wood on the Dbol...nothing for about 5 days now.
No13000 calories at 239 pounds.. im not surprised your not gaining
tread-mI think pushin has it here and the bloods of course will confirm. Lets talk about this drive. So here are my questions and I'll line them up for you to answer in number....
1. How is the urine flow in terms of pressure
2.do you feel as though you need to urinate and when you do its not as much as it felt like it would be or have a hard time getting the pump primed?
3. Are you having to urinate in the night.
4. So not holding water? Hows the bp right now and put your hand around your wrist and see if your middle finger and thumb will touch without squeezing. Mine is normally close to a half inch apart so I can gauge it but you have to know yours regularly, ost can touch unless obese or on gear for life!!! Lol
Alright give me that and lets see here.
tread-mWanted to kinda rule out some prostate swelling here but all sounds good there so I don't really think thats the cause of your sex drive issue. So next is one of 2 things in my mind. I really don't think with your AI use that you have an issue with high estro although stranger things have happened. Also if you are someone who was highly affected by the aromasin you could have actually crashed estro which would explain the sex drive and it should correct quites soon having dropped the AI if thats the case. So I'm not thinking either of those at least for the moment. My thoughts are you had this high with dbol and the high being gone has given some change in compound and hormone and you will soon balance and the drive "pops right up". Lol. Now the other less attractive possibilty is too early to tell here and by the time we could tell as you stabilize you will have your bloods to confirm. Anyway, the less attractive possibility is you had good dbol and bunk test. Probably not the case and again , too early to tell, but if that were the case you could have great test drive on the dbol which was slowly shutting you down at the axis as to natty test. You finish the dbol a d being shut down with bunk test the drive dropped through the floor with the very low/shutdown natty test level. Early to say but my guess is the high from dbol gone and test is very soon to be leveled out in cycle and the drive comes back online soon. Hope thats the case so look forward to the bloods. Make sure when you get the bloods to ask for estradial level. I'll tell you what I would do personally going into bloods, I would have that aromasin kicking at 6.25 eod which would give you some gauge as to how you are being affected personally by aromasin and use that as your roadmap for the rest of cycle. Still likely have to deplete some at some point since aromasin will actually increase in effectiveness where adex does not and in fact you can build tolersnace to adex as to my undertstanding of it. Let me know on your bloods if you don't mind through PM and also let me know if the drive comes back online as you wait to get in for your bloods. Thats actually what I'm hoping for and would be very good news!. No implication of bunk gear here btw, just running through all the possibilities in my mind.
Bro..thank you so much for your time and input. Yeah..I'm kinda hoping one day the libido will just hit me like a hammer. I'm looking forward to the bloodwork results and I'll be sure to let u know of the results.
One thing though..suppose my aromasin was bunk and I had high estro the whole time?? Would that explain my experience?? I got the Aromasin from an pharm in India. I also have Adex on hand from a different pharm..I have not tried any of it yet.
AnonSo are you going towards Prostate inflammation as cause of no libido? I question what an AI would do over time to fix that. Saw Palmetto?
tread-mExactly where I was going but that sounds in check. Just some hurry up and wait now.
Not sure how tall you are but assuming your 5 11 your maitence calories alone would be 3000 calories. A pound of muscle can roughly equal 3600 SURPLUS calories. You need to eat a surplus of calories to keep the d bol gains. The test and EQ should help keep your d bol gains. How much weight have you packed on thus far? Being that your natural test was suppressed through using the d bol, if your test was bunk, you would be dead tired, and not have the drive at all to go to the gym. You'd be "shutdown" If you are holding on to your gains, Id say the test is whats keeping your gains. AS for libido....It should come back when the d bol completely leaves your system. If you have testicular atrophy you can use HCG and that might clear up libido issues.
Some good points bro...I feel a litttle lethargic but still driven to get to the gym. The dbol weight for the most part is holding...In all honestly If my libido was sky high I probaly wouldn't of even posted.
AnonWell that's why I stay away from Dbol now:-( I love the feeling while on dbol, only when you come off it's like ride a bike with a flat tire. I have even lost weight after stopping the dbol as all that water melted off.
As far as the compounds you are running I would expect to see gains like you were expecting after wk 7. Not much before that. Eq takes almost 9-10 wks for me before I really see any obvious gains. About all you should notice from it is a Giant's appetite and some rails for veins. You should start seeing some gains from the Test any day now. Wk7 should bring you some decent strength gains and some mass.
I would re-evaluate your diet brother. 3000 cals is not very much. The protein seems about right. I would be a little more patient and start eating more.
I didn't expect huge gains from the test and EQ yet...but the dbol put an easy 12 pounds on me..and that was with the Aromasin. I shed about 2-3 pounds of it since I came off the Dbol.
The complete loss of libido has me stumped however which leads me to question the gear. I never had a libido problem while taking test...although this is my first time using Dbol and EQ and they may be doing something to me I didn't anticpate.
test will effect you different throughout your cycling career, not aways does it give me libido increase. The main thing here to consider is are you keeping the weight that you put on with the D-bol, that has always been a key ingredient as to weather or not the test is working. Estrogen levels can play a factor in libido as well so make sure you get that tested with your labs...I have read some complaints on said supplier at or around the time frame you are speaking of so im not ruling out the possibility that thats the problem but I would continue the cycle and get the labs to be sure first!