My trt options, please help.
So I'm 26 almost 27 in three months. My testosterone was tested and was only 189. When i went back two days later it dropped to 167. Idk if that's normal to change up and down.
Anyway, is it even worth trying to do hcg/clomid therapy to get natural test back or go ahead with trt? Someone told me that at 189, even hcg/clomid wont boost it much and i will end up doing trt anyway.
I was on a few month cycle and had bunk pct. Its been awhile so I think my natural test should have come back by now. To be honest, my only blood test before this was when aasteroids was around and i took a test to prove they sold bunk. Even then it was low.
Sorry for the ramble, i just need help. Pleae give me some advise. Normal docs and TRT doc both say different things (money)
so:
1.take hcg/clomid therapy?
or
2.trt?
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tread-mI looked through here and don't see the only real information necessary unless I missed it. Would need to know your exact cycle you ran pre-test, what your pct program was and how long you waited post cycle to test.. if you ran a long cycle and was extremely shutdown and especially if you had bunk or low dose pct you may not have been rebooted. In a normal medium shutdown cycle you will need 8 weeks post cycle to get a "true " reading. If you ran a hard shutdown cycle you may. Need a little longer for true reading. So if you ran a "proper" pct following your cycle and tested before 8 weeks following last pin you have an inaccurate result. Trt at your age is not unheard of but is unlikely so I would go to great lengths to see to it you are doing things "right" rather than just jump on this wagon.
I don't know if anyone said anything in the previos replies about oct or not. I read an article in muscular developement about it a while ago and id ont remember everthing they stated for off cycle therapy, but I do remember arachodonic acid and d aspartic acid. William lewellyn I think was the author and it may still be in the archives on there website. I used the d aspartic acid while I was on a long break once and it worked real good imo.
awesome bud, i totally forgot that! and thank you for your insulin input, I like it when people here actually show concern rather than just dish out their personal experience.
So do you remember the article I'm talking about? It would make an awsome topic for the forum, I know there where other things aswell.
only do TRT if you have to. I would do everything I could to try to get natural test levels up. Also you free test levels dont rely mean your test is low. You need to know your total. Free test could be low for several reason 1 being high estrogen. As far as how long you have to wait for next cycle who cares you want your natural test levels back they are important. Between cycles i take the time i was on plus the time of pct and thats my time off. Dbolz looks like he has it all laid out for you. I would try everything he said.
dbolzFluctuations are normal its very normal to drop down to 167 from 190 its normal to even drop 100s from one day to another. Why not run a proper pct and retest? To recover naturally without pct might take a year if not longer. You are planning to do a restart with hcg and clomid? Or just boost your levels? How much was your total test when you where using aasteroids gear? I would do a normal pct if i was you and retest. If you do go that route just use the hcg for the first week (@500iu ed/eod) of your pct not the whole run and then continue the rest of your pct as normal. From what i remember you run a hefty + long cycle and without pct you are asking way too much to recover. Chances are you will need trt but imo you are way to young for it, i would give it one last shot if i was you.
Week 1-4 100/100/50/50 + 40/40/20/20
Week 1-2 500iu ed
Have an AI on hand in case you convert a lot of estrogen while on hcg
Or you could also do 3 weeks hcg with an AI and then normal pct
Week 1-3 HCG 500IU eod + 12.5mg Aromasin ed/eod
Week 3-7 100/100/50/50 + 40/40/20/20
my level only showed 12 for total free test while i was on aasteroids stuff which confirmed bunk.
Why in your opinion do you think i should give pct another shot? I don't need to be fertile so that is not a concern for me. Do you think its best for any other reason?
If I do go the pct way, when can I do a cycle again. I'm getting small lol
my level only showed 12 for total free test while i was on aasteroids stuff which confirmed bunk.
Why in your opinion do you think i should give pct another shot? I don't need to be fertile so that is not a concern for me. Do you think its best for any other reason?
If I do go the pct way, when can I do a cycle again. I'm getting small lol
dbolzNot free test bro, what was your number for total testosterone. Free test is another story, its total test levels you need to know while you were on that cycle, low free test could have been from high shgb, high e2 many reasons affect it
Getting on trt is your call, keep in mind you will have to manage traveling or any other instance where you would have to carry your shots with you. Even going to a hospital after an accident (knock on wood) you would have to pin yourself to feel/be normal. Its a lifelong commitment which i am sure you know but 26 is way to young imo. Even my age is way to young for it but i can buy from the pharmacy if i ever travel and i got a 5 year long stash of test. You would have to prepare and plan for far ahead if you get on trt and keep in mind the grass is not greener on the other side, trt has its own problems. Just cause of your age i would give it another shot. Also you say you dont want to be fertile but i know a few people with the same sexuality as you that around the age of 40 they decided they want a kid. Just cause you dont want it now doesnt mean you will never want it.
If you go the pct route and you recover i would stay at least 3-4month off if not 6 before you run another cycle. You got loads of years ahead to get big once you go the trt route there is no way back
thanks buddy.
Id rather have my own test versus be a slave to a bottle anyway.
I mean, a cycle here and there is fine but if i have to be on test all the time, i wouldnt like that. I wish i could do tren,deca, or winny by its self without using test but I know better.
I have a question and I ask because I get different inconsistent advise. Guys say that if i do the pct route and stay away from aas, I could still do gh/peptides and even slin to get big. Maybe the gh/peptides, but slin?
dbolzOf course you can use hgh/peps. For your pct hit some igf1-lr3 and when you done your cycle (40days) hit some ghrp-2/6 and cjc1295 or hgh depending on funds. You can use those year round without shutting any of your natural hormones down
Also you have to account for the cost of trt as well, test + ai + hcg come to about 600$ per year/52 weeks and thats excluding any labs or bunk gear you might get in the process.
Pros are on trt there is no other way around it, even to run one cycle that a pro does you will probably need trt for life. They got sponsors, funds and some even got docs to monitor them, not the same as your average eroids steroid user.
i like igf-des better...Is there a reason to not do the ghrp/cjc combo while doing igf? have I been wasting my money by doing all three at the same time?
Id love to run good gh,igf,ghrp/cjc and stay on that minus igf after i cycle the igf.
As far as the slin, why are some saying its okay with out test but if i do that i should keep it with gh and maybe t3?
dbolzIgf can affect your hgh production you will have to pin ghrp/cjc 3 times a day and pinning the igf in between is tricky. With good planning it is possible ofc you can just pin the ghrp 2 times a day while on igf. I think the des is more suited while on cycle the lr3 is best suited for pct.
Got no idea about slin and cant help you there it is not something that interests me. Stay away from t3 once you shut your thyroid there is no way back, have a look at natural thyroid boosters
word.... thank you buddy. Ill make another forum post if insulin/gh is okay with out using test or other aas.
Also I wanna know what the young pros/amateurs are doing at my age. Are they on trt and only going up on anabolics, then instead of pct just drop back down the test.
I'm curious what they are doing, I mean these guys have some serious muscle maturity for being that young imo.
And, what about ostarine/s4 that many guys do while doing pct?
Again, Id rather get natural test back versus going on trt so early in life. But I kinda have to be big for what I do, so any help on what else I can do other than my normal bb diet.
dbolzI was reading to ostarine the other day and it does lower test i wouldnt use it in your case, bounce back first and then look into that. Igf/hgh/peps you can use no problems