posted Sat, 05/12/2012 - 18:16
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switch form prop to E
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Ok so i am currently pinning 100mgs test prop ed ttl 700 mgs every week
I want to switch to 700 mgs test E every week
suggestions for the switcharooo?
thanks
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Now that issue is settled, and we have the elite here. Lets talk front loading, its affect on Estrogen levels, and how to prepare/balance? Some data I've read on front loading suggests doubling up your first 1-2 weeks then tapering back 1.5 X weekly load for the next 2-4 weeks to get your levels up very quickly to max. That's gotta cause some inbalance that would need to be addressed. Or would this be better in a separate thread?
tread-mNice seperate thread but I have told many people, frontloading or not, pop that AI in half eod for the first 2 or 3 weeks of the cycle. Not going to hurt and it insures the cycle is off to a good start with shbg in check so you can maximize test effect as it kicks. Still, for me, its the prop front loaed always over double you long....cycle begins in 6 hrs! BOOM!
Awesome advise from everybody Thank you
to me a gram of test-e a week is the same as 100mg/d prop. if I where doing it I would start pinning 500mg/E3.5 days of the test-e for the next 14 days while also running the 100mg/d prop. day 15-21 drop the prop to 50/d, day 22 stop the prop.
dbolzI get the opposite effect 700mg of prop for me easily equates to 400mg of long estered test. I would suggest 500mg per week for the guy rather than 1g. I consider 300-400mg of prop a trt dose. Good advice on the tapper
tread-mThe reason for that is that your entire dose of prop in a week is burned away and in the long ester it is not. So each week through the cycle your long ester "in body" value increases, your prop ester does not. This means also your free test blood plasm levels will quickl?y peak and stabilize on prop because it drops as fast as its coming in nearly to where free test blood plasma levels on a long ester will increase every single week on a long ester never stabilizing unless in a cycle much longer. Sounds as though you knew this but laying it out for sleepy to understand.
dbolzGood info there mate that was always my view on the prop too. I get too greedy on my prop dosages so sticking with longer esters for a while now. Thanks for clearing it up
Ive read all that but it dont work like that for me, not sure why it is but going from 100mg/d prop to 400mg/w eth is like doing a cycle and then doing PCT, I just dont feel shit unless I up the long esters!
tread-mWell I think thats where you go then given this is so unique to all of us. Hell how does one gue have no issue at a certain combination of tren/test and you and I are climbing the fing walls sweating like a whore in church! Lol...first thing I would wonder in your specific situation is are you running any AI? Reason I ask is "maybe" the difference in fluctuation with the different ester release makes you more prone to estro spike than the quicker drop prop ester having higher stability. "If" that were the case you may be syrging shbg much more on the longs and nabbing up much more of your free test giving you the effect of less benefit. Just my first thought.
dbolzMaybe you feel better and getting results the more free test you have? Have you tried stacking the 400mg of enth with proviron to free up more test? Sounds to me like your shgb is what might causing the problems not the switch from one ester to the other. Also some aromasin might help as well since it lowers shgb. Your shgb might be high with the prop as well but at 700mg per week you would have a good amount of free test running through you no matter what, so it might not be causing you any problems you could feel. I would give a go at proviron/aromasin if i was you when changing from prop to long esters
tread-mHaha...shit brother I just posted the sam thing and then read yours..get outta my fing head! Lol. RN and I have done that many times, I think we kinda get on tyhe same page being in a community which I love because I think the advice gets tweaked to perfection eventually. Either that or we all get stuck on stupid together but I think we're going the other way around here.
dbolzWill do mate :), i can understand why this happens you are like the compass of this forum anyway. You point we follow kind of thing
I think its the latter as well not ignoring shgb or e2 is the right way to go
sounds good brother ill look into that!
IMO 700mg/wk Test E will result in higher blood levels than running 100mg/d of Test prop due to the longer half life.
700mg of prop gives you more test than 700mg of E
tread-mIt is only when talking week 1-3 given the prop ester is lighter but beyond a certain point the E ester is holding longer so the long becomes more given your test is higher every week. With prop its a constant given the prop single drops out in 48 hrs in free test blood plasma levels. So prop is more is right and wrong depending on when in the cycle, more 1-3 then less.
yeah what he said
tread-mF I just read that and confused myself! Lol
tread-mWhat is the reason and how long left in your cycle? Age/stats...lol, just realized that was you G dawg! Never mind on age and stats!!! How long left here?
LOL 6 weeks tread
tread-mHell brother, I'd hang on the prop. The conversion will take 3 weeks incontinuing the prop while the E kicks then you only have 3 weeks left. You would save yourself 3 weeks of the daily pins in the end and have 2 per week instead.
Yes of course you are right and sticking with a plan makes a lot of since also instead of switching around all over the place. I will say that in the future I think I will stick with Long esters for cycle and prop for TRT. You explained why above on blast I can really feel the E and when on cruise the prop gives me a nice level cruise. Thank you Brother T
tread-mLOVE THAT ASS!