posted Sun, 04/29/2012 - 14:46
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Already planning my next cycle for later this year. It's going to be a 12 week cycle with test c as a base, and a prop kicker.
I am torn between these 2 compounds, my goals are good strength gains and size (of course) but strength is my #1 priority. So which one of these is better for strength gains? Or is there another oil that will be better than either of these? (Not tren) and no orals please.
Stats
Age. 27
Weight 198
Bf 14
Previous cycle experience. One previous. Sus, dbol, prop taper
Thanks for your help.
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thanks everyone for your feedback. i think grrl and Hardluck are right, i probably do need to tap the breaks a little. it IS only my 2nd cycle. as much as i want to front load and see results in a week vs waiting 4 or 5 weeks, i need to remember that slow and steady is key. the only person i am racing aginst is myself, i am not in this to try to impress anyone else, but to better myself. taking your feedback into consideration, i am going to drop the NPP and run a pretty standard test/ deca cycle, it will look like this.
Test prop. Weeks 1-4 150 eod
Test c. Weeks 1-12 750 /week 375x2
Deca. Weeks 1-10 500/wk. 275x2
Adex weeks 1-14 .25 eod/ed depending on e levels
1-14 HCG 500 iu e4d
prami and caber on hand for prolactin sides.
Pct clomid 100/100/50/50 tamoxifen 40/40/20/20
HardLuck13^^^^^^^^This Post^^^^^^^^^^ u just wrote should be a sticky! Should be bronzed like some baby shoes and kept in the Eroids house or something! Wow I know smarts and class when I see it and Sir you have them both!!! Somebody get this man some karma points!
Already did bro lol just sat in the background here you guys have done a good job here
HardLuck13Well sir the Bar has been set very high with you and Tread around. Juiced1234 is a wealth of info and well, I'm just trying to earn a place here.
lol, thanks man, just trying to think rationally...
HardLuck13I am split on this Bro:-( I agree completely on using a limited # of compounds on a second run, I also agree that without the Prop he is going to be digging a hole for himself to climb out of. So what would I do? Well I definitely think the most underused compounds are the short ester ones. Prop NPP is a cycle in itself. I see the purpose of frontloading and honestly in this situation if I had to choose one compound to keep it would be the Prop over the NPP. The cycle listed below is IMO a Mid-Advanced cycle. You can add the Npp next go around if You really like the Nandralone.
That's just me though, I think the gains will be plenty just on the Test dosages you are going to run. Throw in 400mg of Deca and Watch out! Datman you seem like a good guy and have a good head on your shoulders. In the end you are going to know yourself better than any of us and will know what you can or can't handle. Either way We got your back. Just remember there are No Finish Lines in this thing we do. Think of your body first and foremost.
Alright.. so here is the final product.. (better stock up on pins :-). )
Test prop. Weeks 1-4 150 eod
Test c. Weeks 1-12 750 /week 375x2
Npp. Weeks 1-5 400/ wk. Split up eod ( probably do m,w,f)
Deca. Weeks 1-10 500/wk. 275x2
Adex weeks 1-14 .25 eod/ed depending on e levels
Standard Pct nolva 100/100/50/50 tamoxifen 40/40/20/20
Doing research on hcg as we speak, will include during cycle as well.
Already have prami, but will pick up some caber for the 19nor sides.
I'll post this up on the cycles board in a few days for everyone to see.
Thanks again guys.
Frankiethat looks good bro ....really good
i would add prop in there the final weeks while you wait for the long ester to clear so you can start pct
weeks 10-14 150mgs prop eod
:-)
hcg on cycle for week 1 right upto start of pct
500iu every 4th day
Frankie^^^^^^^^^^^^ that is FROM WEEK 1 RIGHT UP TO THE START OF PCT :-)
yeah, i was debating on a prop taper last 2-3 weeks of the cycle. worked out pretty well for me this cycle :-)
Anonthis is a good second cyle with a few minor changes.. ditch one or the other fast acting compounds (npp or prop) at this stage of the game two are overkill.. reality is that you should be able to run a good three or four cycles on test alone where you should still see good results..
if you insist on npp you'll need to adjust your dosages down a bit to allow the test to do it's job of keeping from becoming shut down. you may or may not have issues with prolactin, you'll just have to wait and see.
thandks grrrl. if i dropped one of the fast acting ones, it would have to be the NPP, if i dropped the prop, i would probably get shut down pretty bad before the cyp kicks in.
i guess i was looking at is as technically adding one compound- nandralone (spelling!) just 2 different suspensions. that was my reasoning anyway... :-)
Edit: CLOMID 100/100/50/50.
Double post..
ever think of bne? if you're talking about npp (quicker nandrolone) why not consider bne (the quicker eq) bne on work out days supposedly gives eq strength gains faster. just a thought
I like Eq. It gave me a slow steady increase in size and strength and i kept the gains. Its not been in my experince a rapid gainer but i like keeping what i worked hard for.
Well it's good to see people receptive to advice and actually taking it instead of asking then doing the opposite! Good shit datman! No matter which way you go you'll do well with your second cycle. EQ and nandrolone are both good solid compounds. Can't go wrong either way. You ask 50 people which way to go you'll get 50 different answerrs brother! Juice is a pro, take his advice.
Thanks nitti, ur always a big help. Imput is always welcome.
So, what about
1-3 prop 150 eod
1-5 npp 400/wk
1-12 test c -600wk
1-10deca 400-500wk
Possibly 1-12 eq 250 wk
Could I push this out 14 weeks? Or would that be too supressive?
Deca would acheive your desired goals.It's just a longer estered npp.You could run the npp as a kickstart for the first month of the cycle till the deca kicks in.Make sure you stop the deca at week ten on a twelve cycle.
why dont you just run the old classic test amd decca cycle
That is also a possibility, but not looking for the bloat that goes along with it. That's why I chose npp instead.
It's a total toss up on which will give you better strength gains. Both are decent although NPP is more androgenic than Bold. I would personally use NPP or Boldenone acetate. If it's size you want accompanied by strength <deca will pack on size but will more than likely bloat you. NPP is not going to. Nandrolone is a good solid compound, I just prefer short esters. Is this your first time using a 19nor? If so go with the NPP. You will have more control over everything including possible sides because of the short ester. I have nothing against EQ. I like to run it at a low dose in most cycles just for the vascularity, hardening of muscles and appetite increase while cycling. Depending on your cycle experience, i'll make a suggestion. What compounds do you have experience with and how long have you been cycling?
Yes this is my first 19nor, I listed previous cycle experiance up above.. one previous. What dose would you run the npp?
Sorry, I must have skimmed through your post like a jack ass. Go with NPP bro! Get a good feel for the nandrolone and see how you respond. If you like it you can give deca a shot next go! EQ is fairly mild and I was going to suggest running your Cyp, NPP 100mg EOD and eq at a low dose of 3-400 week. It's a good addition to any cycle, especially the goals you have. I don't want to suggest too many compounds if you have very limited experience but EQ is pretty easy and mild. My wife runs it
So 300 mg npp per week, that would put my test at 600/wk.. sound right? Test should be Double the nandraolone (spelling) sound right??
Test should definitely be higher than the NPP. Doesn't have to be double tho. 600 week of test is good. At eod npp injects you'll end up at between 300-400mg npp weekly depending on the week. If you add EQ i'd keep it moderate maybe 250/wk. Again, I only suggest EQ as an addition if you feel comfortable enough with the experience you have with AAS. It is mild and could really be a nice addition. Some say this is BS but my appetite gets insane which helps a lot with trying to pack on lean weight. If you don't eat you won't grow. EQ makes me eat!