Critique my cycle
this is my first time posting on this forum, so hi to everyone.
i'll start off w/ stats
Height- 5'10''
weight- 185
bf%- 14
experiance- been lifting solidly for 3 years
*also note this is my first cycle w/ real gear- used PH's in the past (superdrol, diamethazine, LMG), but never the real deal.
my cycle is very simple:
week 1-4 dbol 30mg's ED
week 1-12 Sustanon 700 mg's/week pinned 350 2x's/week
post cycle- Clomid, and Tamoxifen - also have Letrozole on hand just in case.
diet : 3500 calories/day
300g protien
300-400g carbs
lean meat (chicken fish), good carbs (sweet potatoes, brown rice, oatmeal etc)
is there anything i am missing? i have been researching this for quite a while and finally decided to make the jump. any help would be much appreciated.
thanks.
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Sust should be good. Its all test, just different esters. I ran sust first 2 cycles about 20 years ago before PCT was around and had great results. I went from 194 to 218 in only 8 weeks of 500mg per wk. Also lost BF at same time. Enjoy!
AnonI would trade the sust for test e or test C.. especially considering you have no idea how your body reacts to ANY of the compounds in the sust.. save the sust for when you have more experience with each compound ... reasoning is that you won't KNOW for certain which compounds your body reacts better to or which compounds are causing your side effects.. Additionally drop the Dbol for the same reasons.. you need to know exactly what you are responding to or not responding to and the dbol will interfere with that.
I have seen this here before, just wondering whats the difference between sust or any other test? Im confused as to why people make this suggestion.
well mostly all sust(250) will include
30 mg testosterone propionate
60 mg testosterone phenylpropionate
60 mg testosterone isocaproate
100 mg testosterone decanoate
the sust(300) or (350) will usually include 50mg of cypionate or enanthate esters or even both and some sust(250)will drop one ester in favor of cyp or enanth. just depends on the manufacturer.
its important (and especially for me) because the different esters although all test, do different things to you, cypionate wrecks my chest with acne, where enanthate does not. so it is depends on the person and how you react to those diff esters.
for the record.. its 350
Frankiei find it funny how people can say cyp gives me acne and enanthate dont ??
you know there is one chemical atom difference between enanthate and cyp? meaning they are almost made up of exaclty the same structure? enanthate haveing 7 atoms while cyp have 8 .
an ester can not give you side effects
yes, yes i do know the only difference is one atom, but i dont use cypionate because around week 8 my chest will become riddled with acne where as with enanthate that doesnt happen, where i can do a full 10-12 weeks and not break out anywhere on my body.
i throw it up to genetics, same thing happened to my dad when he used cypionate, he told me to use enanthate and it wouldnt be a problem.
everyone is different.
Frankieso one chimcal atom causes you to break out with acne ? not looking for a argument just trying to understand how one little atom makeing cyp 1% different than enanthate (just the ester that is not the testosterone) can cause such a thing.
AnonIts called endorcrinoloy and the unique physiology and biochemistry that is unique to an individual ..
Frankienot from one chemical atom that makes almost zero difference ..sorry i just dont agree with you opinians thats all its much more likely to be down to a cheap ass lab that puts prop in there gear to make up the dose leading the users bloods to be jumping up and down as he thinks he is injecting test c when it sounds like its e/p blend ..
funny old topic this sust and ester one and one that has been rammed home for hours on end so am going to leave it now as it takes up far too much time over something we will never agree on but thanks for your posts i enjoy reading them and your understanding of aas is well above avaarage .xx
frankie
I'm firmly convinced that's exactly what is being done by a lot of labs out there.
Prop is cheap and shows results quickly, leading the user to believe he's gotten his hands on some great stuff.
Frankieyour exactly right bro and i just mailed hrdbdygrrrrl the exact same thing man ,its a huge lack of trust when this is the case .
Neither am i, and i really cant explain it perhaps it has something to do with actually test vs ester per mg?
Active Hormones:
Testosterone Base: 100mg
Testosterone Acetate: 83mg
Testosterone Propionate: 80mg
Testosterone Isocaproate: 72mg
Testosterone Enanthate: 70mg
Testosterone Cypionate: 69mg
Testosterone Phenylpropionate: 66mg
Testosterone Decanoate: 62mg
Testosterone Undecanoate: 61mg
i mean deca makes some peoples hair fall out, for me it makes the skin on my head incredibly dry, where i have to wash my hair 3 times a day with head and shoulders to keep flakes under control?
Frankiecould be the test vs ester per mg but then thats not much of a differanc at all to casue such sides imo .
acne is defo due to hormone inballance hence keeping blood levels as stable as possable with correct injection timeing to what ester your useing ..
i have spent hours talking about sust and the many ways it should and shouldent to ran and tbo there are so many different opinians out there i just base my on the scientific side of things looking at peak drop off levels and what not.
I dont think sust was developed to be pinned ED, its designed to have peaks and drops, my .02
Frankieoh i agree and i dont recomend it being inected ed bro but blood levels will drop if injected once a week ,the prop and phepyprop will be gone within a wek and then your shooting it again to which your blood will riase again and this can lead to side just like acne .
the idea is to get another dose of sut in be4 the prop and phelyprop esters die off so every third day for sut is perfect too keep blood levels nice and stable
yea, 1mg is not a big difference at all
Must just have been that geneza test i got from naps! should have went with you for your cypionate! lol good looking out though brother.
overall it really depends on whats gonna work the best, i have abunch of sust imma run this summer.
I ran the geneza test from naps and got zits too! rarely happens to me!
Maybe it was just their blend then /shrug, atleast i know im not crazy now
im with roid noid, as far as i knew test is test..
Frankienice to see a well planed basic cycle bro it looks perfect to me except i would run adex on cycle at 0.25mgs eod as it not only keep blaot of and gyno it will aid a better recovery .
thanks. ive never used adex but i know some people swear by it...personally i have had pretty good luck using tamoxafen in the past.. adex gets kinda pricey too when you figure a 12 week cycle, but surely worth the extra $$. i do have letro as well, but i know thats pretty harsh. thanks for the advice.