posted Sun, 12/18/2011 - 14:16
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I am tired of being skinny ! What is a good cycle?
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I am 27 years old 5-8 and a hole 140p. I lift weights 4 days a week.I have struggled with weight gain all of my life. I eat and eat, drink Optimum Nutrition serous mass weight gainer but never get any results. About 6 months ago i did a cycle of D-BOl I gained 7 pounds off 3 pills a day but ,I was only able to get 100 pills from a buddy. Then I found this amazing website I did a fair amount of research.
I bought 20ML of Lixus Labs Sustanon 300 ,10ML of Lixus Labs Deca 300, and I also bought Lixus Labs Clomid.
please give me your thoughts on this, and how I should take this cycle and anything i am forgetting. This is my second cycle and I am only 140p thank you for your time and expertise.
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yeah they r great, you would be astonished how picky i am with those though. i can get them at walmart on ebt so i load up one a month and also with the body fortress creatine, this is also allowed on ebt for those who has access to that
EBT? LOL
Thats how my tenant pays me rent. Seriously!
Anything in paticular? Just go for the highest protein, on sale?
the only type of protein you can buy with it is Body fortress whey protein which taste like pure ass, my wife gets ebt because she has 2 kids from a previous marriage we are raising, it works out well lol, the body fortress creatine is off the chains though, that shit is magically delicious. 1 scoop of bf, 3 eggs, 1 large scoop of peanut butter, 2 strawberries, 1 cup of orange juice and one cup of orange strawberry bananna juice and juice mix that shit the fuck up and you got a tasty ass sum bitch
ive got this one, when i started I was 127 lbs, I gained 38 lbs in 3 months, You need to first get a good eating schedule, Same time everyday, your appetite will increase and you will start putting on weight with that alone, being a hard gainer I can definatly vouche for cypionate and deca, deca will add to your appetite then all you need to worry about fullfilling that hunger, when you get hungry EAT! dont procrastinate (however you spell it) make sure you are eating good carbs and proteins, I started off at 3meal a day and as I got my ruinite in check and my appeite increased I add another meal, finally I got to the place where im eating every 2 hours, doesnt even have to be big meal, all you have to do is get a carb in and a protein (red meats are great and so is fish and chicken although they are leaner) get a high calories shake in your diet. 300mgs of cyp and 150mg of deca per week should do you really good. get you some protien bars for snacks, trust me the marathon and big colosials are addictive.
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I posted my normal eating routine below a few post's down. Thank you all who are being nice and taking the time to help. The only other thing I forgot to mention is I have been working out for years I mite be skinny but I am ripped I can out lift most of my friends that are bigger than me I work hard in the gym. I do a diff muscle group every day and I work it almost until failure. Again thank you all but I am going to drop the Deca for now buy some Arimidex and run the Sust at 500mg a week pin on Tuesday and Friday when should I start taking the Arimidex I also have Clomid I have 20ml of the sust
congrats for having the nads to post up and ask for info and get some help ...
write down your diet over a couple days ( real deal ) what do you really eat??
A great cycle for you would be lots protein, carbs and fats.
I have met enough of those so-called "hard gainers" like you to know that all of them just aren't eating right.
AAS never have been and never will be an excuse for shoddy diet and shitty training. I'd suggest thats where you start.
Sustanon for a first cycle, lol.
Eric090585granted you're PROBABLY right in this case...this is not always true.
take me for example, i have Ulcerative Colitis, which causes me to be a VERY hard gainer! i eat good, you know, expensive food that tastes like shit and i get down on a shit load of protein shakes every day and i take every supp needed and then some. i don't like soda or candy so that's not even an issue with me. workout routine is:
MONDAY: Chest & Triceps
TUESDAY: Cardio & Abs
WEDNESDAY: Back, Biceps & Forearms
THURSDAY: Cardio
FRIDAY: Shoulders & Legs
SATURDAY: Abs
I'd say i got shit pretty well dialed in and i don't gain shit without AAS, and it's hard as shit to keep what i do gain when i'm 'off'
That being said, i'm sure you have an ass load of knowledge, but you shouldn't be so quick to criticize without first asking about all factors..
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I agree with you completely. However, if he had some sort of deficiency I would think he'd have mentioned it.
I know I bashed you at first for your stats when I didn't know what was going on. Its just that these days NOBODY seems to be wanting to put any effort into training natural. After only a couple months or few years of lifting its straight to the roids.
You need to remember that people must have a decent base to run a cycle in the first place, meaning enough receptors and big enough muscles otherwise they won't make the proper gains anyway.
Also, if they are so light and have allegedly put in the effort regarding workout and diet, then something can't be right. I am just looking out for people's best interests, thats all. Just remember this simple calculation:
Test E 12 weeks average gains = 18 - 20 lbs
Add 1 month PCT and another 2 on top at least where all you do is try to keep gains. Generally, people will keep about 70% of that if they know what they are doing.
That means after 6 months, you'll be where you could have been naturally anyway, and have done damage to your body for no reason at all. I've stated this example before, but no matter how much I preach it just doesn't seem to get through, sadly.
"I know I bashed you at first for your stats when I didn't know what was going on. Its just that these days NOBODY seems to be wanting to put any effort into training natural. After only a couple months or few years of lifting its straight to the roids."
I agree. BUT, and I speak with a little experience (little), and im on my first cyc. How bad can it be as long as your skinny (little fat). Dont judge yet!
Personally, I never had an appetite. I couldnt eat more than 2K calories a day. Maybe if I ate icecream and mcdonalds!
My point is (IMO), if your a skinny Biatch like me and work out often with little success, taking aas is your next step.
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If thats what you truly want. "the life style, commitement" !!!
Eric090585touche
I think posters can only go on the info provided. If the OP had said he had a reasonably serious medical condition that was limiting his gains, posters would have replied accordingly. One has to assume he hasn't - and we're not mind readers - so people come to the obvious conclusion. It's the diet/training that's at fault.
I'm entirely sure that at 5ft 8 and 140lbs drugs AREN'T the answer. Getting on a proper diet and you're training sorted (you're probably a super hard gainer and need to train much less and recover more) IS. All drugs will be is a sticking plaster in this instance. Address the other problems and see major gains coming.
tread-mAs all the advice here says ....eat. its not about how much you eat if you dont know what to eat. As nasty said below, jaycutler.com click blueprints and l?earn diet, then run a 500mg split test ew cycle. You need arimidex on hand in case you need it for water, estrogen or gyno. It is the food synergy that makes the difference, food reacting with other food doing specific thi ngs. Look to Cutlers bulk phase and eat 6 meals a day with your gear there. Don't expect to be able to eat the same volume of food without additional ghrelin production from hgh and dont think hgh this earl?y either. Modify the total calories based on that diet so you can stay full on 6 meals. I would not necessarily bust your balls on the sauce just run it 500 split ew for 12 weeks and again AI on hand. Test E would fit you a lot better on first test cycle though.
this will be my second cycle atm i do eat 6 meals a day let me put down what i normally do and you can tell me what needs to change
4:30am drink serous mass shake by optimum nutrition 1200cal
6:00am bowl of oatmeal 1 banana take my vitamins beef liver pills, krill oil,and a multi
10:00am 2 grilled chicken breast and good amount of steamed broccoli
12:00am snack on some almonds or chips whatever i can grab usually
2:00pm can of tuna and 2-3 eggs or tuna and grilled potato's
6:00pm eat whatever my gf is cooking for dinner sorry diff every night but i stuff myself also more of the beef liver and my TestoJack 200 by NOW nutrition
8:30pm i drink another serious mass shake it has 1200 cal 50g protein 250 crabs
I do not do any cardio except jujitsu Monday and Friday I lift weights using a program called critical bench i follow it pretty closely i also drink a 24g protein shot right after my workouts and eat amino acid pills i take all kinda vitamins
You may also want to drop the BJJ while your trying to bulk up unless you add about another 1000 cals to your diet on the days you train. On average at 140lbs you should burn through 10-15 calories a minute doing jiu jitsu.
tread-mWEll brother, you want to bulk right? WHERES THE BEEF? lol. Go to Jaycutler.com and look back through last year under the blueprints tab on the home page and find some bulking months way before September. I don't mind chicken and I know you need it but you're not a bird, you're a red meat human. Get some red meat in a bulk diet IMO to bulk properly. I mean 2 or 3 lbs a day type thing with your test only cycle and you will grow. Next thread we can talk about how you keep the weight later.
You should grab a pen/paper, sit down, and think about what you normally eat in a day. Just be honest with yourself and don't exagerate. if your numbers are around 2,000 - 2500 then you need to try and figure out a way to get it up to about 3500 at least. Also when you are doing this list, you need to subtract your junk food and soda pops and try to find something at the grocery store that is a good solid food that can fill their place. And don't think you have to suddenly change your entire kitchen cabinets. Just try and find a way to put more in your belly. To much change all at once will burn a person out. Once you start seeing the results then the drive to eat better foods and more of it should start appearing.
You already have the gear so i immagine you are going to do the cycle. My suggestion is since it looks like you want to run SUS, you should by some more. If you just do 2 ml's a week that will last you ten weeks. once you get to ten weeks you are going to be pissed because you don't have enough to run it a few more. Your first cycle is usually your best, don't skimp it. I don't count your dbol cycle as a real cycle. some might, i don't. You don't have enough deca for anything and i wouldn't advise you use it. If you run sus by itself then you know how your body will react to that one compound. Next time run sus and deca. If you start getting sides that were different from the sus only cycle then you will know that deca is to blame. Make sense?
yes thank you
Ive been injecting 1ml monday/thursday of vitamine b12 complex from alldaychemist.com and it's made me feel hungry all day long. I cant stop eating and its gave me a lil more energy too. There cheap at 8 ampuals for $4. Maybe try adding this with your next cycle.
bro all that deca is going to make your dick shut down specially if already low on NT. lixus deca already contains 100mgs and you going to stack more deca on top of that? just eat your ass off throughout the day. eat a big-ass meal right before bedtime. i recommend training every other day, on your off day eat like a horse !!!!!
lixus deca already contains deca ? you mean lixus sust?
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Thank You All for your input
seriously brother steroids will do little unless you can take in the amount of food nessary to grow. At your wieght bro that means eating till your uncomfortable all day, it sucks for the first 3 weeks but as time passes your stomach will begin to crave more as it stretches out, really if you want to bulk you should have a pop belly all the time, it really never becomes empty. If at any time you go more than 3 hours without eating then you aint ready to bulk.
thank you. I found when I was taking the dbol my apatite went up dramatically it helped me eat more than ever. I also forgot to mention I have low test naturally but the doc said it is just not low enough to give me prescription at this time I am just above the line he said
if that is the case then you really should start learning about HRT before you ever consider even running a cycle, there is a good chance that after running a cycle you may not recover. Research TRT or HRT, dial in your diet in the mean time, you probably got 50 hours of research ahead of you before you should consider running that cycle or any other cycle.
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ItsNoelbuy SERIOUS MASS, CELL TECH, FORCE FACTOR, and A50 youll be fine
ItsNoeland Test E & DECA your old enough
MultipurposeLike the others say eat eat eat. i went from 150 to 190 in two years just by learning to eat. I was lucky to have a natural bodybuilder as a friend to help me out with this. I think a good rule of thumb is to multiply your body weight times 20 and eat that many calories.
You're skinny because you don't eat right. Trust what you think is a lot of food isn't I was the skinny ass kid in grade school the whole time I trained 7 days a week thinking that was how you got big. It wasn't till I was about 20-21 where I learned diet has everything to do with growth in the gym. It's the simple truth.
I would eat more solid meals and focus on compound exercises, how long have you been training ?
i have been lifting for about 3 years solid but I stared back in high school
If you want o post up your diet , if you don't have a solid foundation you might lose all gains ... Try to eat around 4000 cals Ed ...don't rely on protein shakes only...
Nasty81NateRun the test for 12 weeks. 500 mg a week, at least 2X week injections, but preferably EOD injections if u can handle it. Eat big, clean meals six times a day. Go to jaycutler.com/blueprints for examples on a good diet and training routine.
Bro, jay cutler's routines are absolute bullshit for a lightweight feather. Maybe for someone like me that needs many isolation exercises and many sets for the same muscle musclegroup it is good, but not for a beginner or even intermediate/advanced lifter.
What he needs to do, is start on rippetoe's programm, using big compound movements that activate the majority of the muscles. Everything else is just pointless here.
Nasty81NateI wouldn't expect any beginner to be able to follow his routines or diet to a T, but I feel his diet and routines give a beginner a better idea on how to shape their own diet and training methods in an effort to better prepare themselves for adding weight with or without AAS.
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Nasty81NateI just wanted to agree with the comments above, learn to eat right and you'll be amazed at what happens naturally. Plus if u get in the habit of eating right now, you'll be twice as prepared for when u do run the test only cycle.
JtizzleI would save the deca for the future (you really don't have enough for a good cycle IMO anyway so stash it for next time), run a test prop/ test E only cycle with a solid PCT sinve ya didn't run test first time..
no i just ran the dbol i did not know anything other than take this pill eat and work out like crazy lol