posted Sat, 11/26/2011 - 23:01
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Adding Winny (Winstrol) to the end of a Testosterone Cycle
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Hi there--
This would be my second cycle, probably doing the same thing again (Test-Ethanate, Deca, Turanibol, Arimidex) for 10 weeks plus 3 week PCT with Nolva and Clomid.
My question is: What are your thoughts on Adding Winny (Winstrol) to the end of a Testosterone/Deca cycle? Wondering if it would leave me more with a harder look, or it really doesn't matter if it kicks off the cycle or ends it?
My first cycle I did a T-Bol (Turanibol) kickstarer for 4 weeks of 40mg/day and it rocked!
I got the idea here:
http://www.steroid.com/beginner-steroid-cycles.php
About me:
My Cycle (Second One)
GOAL: Lean Mass Gains
Me: Male, Age 40, been lifting for 10 years, 5'10, 185 lbs, 15% bf
Train 5 days a week, split cycle, got meals down 6 times a day.
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AnonDIET> DIET > DIET. I vote for Var over Winny..easier on your joints too..
Not doing either, just sticking to test E and Deca with a T-Bol kickstater.
AnonLove Tbol...great choice
Yeah-- not considering Winstrol at all. Probably wont do Anavar either.
That's why I posted my question here, cause I know I'd get a lot of great feedback! Yeah, I've been reading about Winstrol and it seems icky for the liver, so I'll probably go with a T-Bol (Turanibol) kickstarter for 4 weeks, 40mg/day along with Test Ethanate and Deca plus Anastrozole, like I did my first time around.
Any thoughts on ending the cycle with Anavar, 30mg every day? for 4 weeks? I heard nothing but great things about it, low toxicity.
Anonyou may find that 30mg may not be enough for you (you should know within days) .. but you will find the same results with var that you would with winny... yes, you will lose some fat, yes you will have some great lean gains, NO it will not cut you up unless your body fat is low enough.. Much of your gains depends on your diet, training, and amount of rest you get, so you may be able to drop enough fat by the end of you cycle that you will notice the effects more.
So do you think it's worth it? I was just going to do this cycle:
My Cycle (Second One)
GOAL: Lean Mass Gains
Me: Male, Age 40, been lifting for 10 years, 5'10, 185 lbs, 15% bf
Train 5 days a week, split cycle, got meals down 6 times a day.
Week 1-4 tbol 40mg/day
Weeks 1-10: Sustanon (4 test mix) (Inject 1ml twice per week)
Weeks 1-10: Lixus Labs Deca 300mg/ml • Inject: 0.5ml Twice per week
Weeks 1-10: Arimidex (Anastrozole) / 0.25mg per day
• Weeks 6-10: Anavar 30 mg every day (probably wont do)
PCT:
Week 11-12: HCG 250iu/day
Week 11: Nolva, 40mg/day, Clomid 100 mg/day
Week 12: Nolva, 30mg/day, Colmid 50mg/day
Week 13: Nolva, 20mg/day, Clomid 50mg/day
AnonKeep it simple, in fact the simpler the better. You can do LOTS more than you think with just diet. Skip the Var until your body fat is low enough that anyone can see that it is working.
Deca only needs to be pinned once a week at 300mg per week.. Your sust needs to be 1.5 /2 times the mg of your deca..
Do you have experience with ALL the compounds in the SUST?
I generally have an issue with "blends" especially if you have not used each component by itself. You don't know what gains or sides you are getting from which compound. Also, it is quite easy for the ugl to NOT put what they say into the compound in the dosages that they say. Really how would you know unless you send it out to be tested right? sorry just my two cents.. simple is better that's all
That's my thought too-- not to go with the Sust instead just stick with the tried and true Test-E.
My first cycle was 500mg of Test-Ethanate250 with 250mg of Deca250. Also did a kickstarter of T-bol for 4 weeks (40mg a day) and .5 every day of Anastrozole plus 2 weeks PCT. It worked great. I know I should have just done the Test and Tbol, but live and learn, my body is doing good.
The argument of using the Sust is that the mix of testosterone cypionate or testosterone decanoat provides more stable serum testosterone levels. Since I haven't done them ever before, I'll just stick with what I've done and worked which is using Test-E instead of Sust.
AnonThat is a good idea and at some point run a cycle with test cyp and some prop at some point so that in the future when you run sust, you'll know your own reactions ...
AnonI agree with grrrrrl. When you're messing with compounds, there is no way to find out which compound is causing adverse side effects if you happen to get one.
AnonI agree with the others. Winstrol just doesn't make a whole lot of sense unless your body fat is low enough. The side effects can be pretty nasty, elevated blood lipids, it actually reduced good hdl, liver toxicity, and not to mention you will turn into a grease factory. The reality is that winstrol should be saved for those who use it for professional sports and if you are competing.
I agree- thanks for the feedback grrrrrl (great user name)
Way to much body fat you could do it but wouldnt reap any benefits, would probably think its bunk.
Winstrol makes no sense for you, because unless your bodyfat is around 6% you won't be benefitting from the hardening effect of winstrol.
In addition, even moderate doses of 50mg eod will lower your "good" HDL cholesterol values between 30 and 99%. Furthermore, both versions, injectable and oral, are harsh on the liver.
Low HDL values are directly related to heart attacks as fat deposits itself in the arteries. Have your lipid values checked thoroughly before starting.
Also take into account that stanozolol will dry out your joints and muscles making you more susceptible to muscle tears and serious injuries.
Winstrol is a contest drug, and in no way suitable for hobby athletes. The PIP off it is insane, because it is water based and very much aggravates the surrounding muscle fibres. You'd have to rotate spots on every single injection.
You should research your compounds better before you just decide to stack random things.
Ive never got pip from it?
Maybe your muscle can just cope with it better than mine.
The actual stanozolol hormone is present in micro-crytalene form within the water-based solution. These micro-crystals usually aggravate the surrounding muscle fibres and may even cause swelling.
That is also one of the reasons why some people used to think that winstrol causes the injected muscles to grow better.
AnonDepending on how the compound is made...it can crystalize in the muscle, which is what causes the PIP, right?
Not exactly. The stanozolol is ALREADY in a crystalene form.
Nice thanks for the info!
AnonI dont think it would make much of a difference either way, but I would kick it off with it. Thats what Im doing with my sust/deca/npp cycle.