Tren Enanthate / Test Enanthate Knots in Injection Site
I'm 8 injections into a test e/ tren e cycle with AB's gear. (4 weeks total)
History: I've successfully done a tren cycle in the past but this was long before an enanthate ester was available.
I have always used a testosterone cypionate ester. I sometimes get a knot that usually fades in 3 days.
Since I started using the Enanthate Ester I've had some nasty knotting. These knots will last up to 11 days before completely fading. They are sore and tender. I've been in this game long enough to suck it up and do my workouts and that is not my concern.
This is also my first experience using AB's gear. I don't question the validity of his stuff. There is enough positive feedback to prove he's a good source.
I just want to know if anyone else is experiencing the same thing on his gear or just the enanthate ester itself.
Thanks for the feedback guys!
Additional info: I have been able to take up to 3ml glute shots in the past without having knotting this bad. I am currently taking 1.5ml shots twice weekly and alternating injection sites.
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@b_roonie2326 had a recent post on this very same issue taking the same compounds from optimal labs. Here is a little summary of what I wrote him:
I have cut the dosage in half and the pain and knots are the same. This Monday I even separated the compounds to try and figure out which was causing it - now I have two sore as hell spots with knots.
My symptoms: The initial injection goes smoothly, but around day 3 I have a large knot and the entire area is tender and painful. After 7-10 days this fades. I have never encountered this issue to this degree over the many years I have been in this game.
Only two things are "new" for me. First: I have always used other esters, this is my first time using enanthate. Second: This is my first time using AB's Optimal Labs. I have said in a previous post I do believe that Optimal Labs is legit gear, but I'm starting to suspect something in this stuff is causing my body to retaliate.
AB has openly admitted to "cooking" all his own gear. Unfortunately there are no batch #s on any of these vials; if they had at least that we might be able to narrow the cause down significantly.
He is overwhelmed with orders and under immense pressure. The temptation to cut corners to get the gear made and shipped must be tempting although I'm not making any accusations since I have no way of getting this gear tested. The most helpful thing we can do is share our feedback and hope others do the same.
To conclude this is not getting any better. My gut feeling is that something is off in these compounds for my body to react like this. If I could send all my gear back and get a refund I would. Obviously this underground world doesn't work like that.
FrankieTBO that dont sound right too me . enanthate esters can be made almost painless no problem at all with basic understanding of how to get the correct ammount of solvents and carrier oils.
maybe the raws have a high acid content ?
I'm thinking the same thing Frankie.
I have 2 of them right now myself from Wednesday
I think it depends on the individual injections and volume; I can shoot the same area with the same compounds 2 weeks apart and sometimes 1 will get knots and 1 doesn't.
How many cc's per injection are you doing? Are you injecting into already inflamed muscle tissue?
Are you taking Optimal Labs gear too? This is not about the injection technique. These are no standard 3 day knots we all get occasionally from our injections. This is too consistent and abnormal. If I didn't know my body well and understand how these compounds work I could easily mistake these for an abscess.
i tried his NPP but the injection site became a very hard know as well didnt go away for nearly a week and a half?.. it was extremly hot as well.i use alcohol on everything..so i tried it again on another shoulder same thing..my body dosent like his NPP Ive neverhada issue like this before..just my body telling me it dosnt agree with it. wierd huh?
I been i using his test p for 4 weeks now i get the average little knot with pip but nothing like tHAt NPP .i wont use it..
I'm very sterile myself, I always use an alcohol swab and I change my needle after drawing. There might be too much benzyl alcohol in my batch possibly causing this irritation. It's frustrating that there are no batch numbers on any of these vials.
Frankiebenzly alcohol should not be causeing such pip .
pharma grade companys such as organon use as much as 10% b.a
I read that just a while ago so I have to agree with you. That shouldn't be the cause.
4 weeks into the cycle are you starting to feel the enanthate in the oil yet? Im just curious if the quality has anything to do with the knots.
I would say the results are mediocre. I will be getting some blood work done and sharing that with everyone soon. I started this expecting to feel like a monster around week 5-6 so I'm patiently waiting.
Brother ive had this problem in the past, had to pin all over cause I was using a short ester, shit would last for days, sore sometimes, swollen sometimes, always knots, finally I starting pinning compounds separate and it was all good. Separate your oils, chances are you will be all good, if not atleast you will know which one is causing it.
I haven't tried that yet but I will on Monday. Thanks man! Sometimes the simplest solutions are the best.
Nasty81NateI've gotten some small knots in both glutes about 3 weeks in on EOD pinning with Optimal labs Test P, but they've went away after 3 or 4 days. They don't overly concern me, I've had the same type of knots from another labs Sustanon. As long as they don't look of feel infected, I wouldn't worry about it too much. You might need to start incorporating more injection sites into your pinning rotation, by not giving the knots time to heal up on there own, you could be compounding the problem by injecting into em again too quickly. Try your delts and quads bro, there really not that bad. I love doing delts, so freaking easy.
Thanks for the advice.
FrankieCant comment on the gear as never used but as yoi said the reviews are good
Now you have a number of optians here
1-Suck it up and ride out the pip and continue with the cycle
2-buy some sterile cotton seed oil and cut on a 1/1 ratio
3- try warming the oil pior to injection and take a hot bath after wards to help deaperce the oil
In genarel test e should be near painless unless a very high ammonut of ba solvent is used or the raw hormone has a high acid content
It could also be down to you injecting techniqe
Make sure you stay as still as possable when the pin is in your muscle and inject at a slow pace ( 40-60 sec per ml)
Thanks Frankie, the shots themselves are painless. I start to notice the knots around day 3. I may be injecting too fast and I'll work on going slower.